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Location: Sarah Connor Chronicles: Season 2 Predictions and Plot Danglers
Discussion: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 10:54 AM EDT When I was tossing and turning last night trying to get to sleep, I came up with this idea: What if Cameron either is more Skynet controlled than we realize or acting like a rogue and wayward child of Skynet, but for some reason (perhaps because she was designed and built too well) she has become individually more advanced and more "self aware" than her creator (Skynet's worst nightmare)? She has become curious and intrigued about humans and what it means to be a human... wanting to "walk --or dance-- a mile in our shoes" so to speak. Maybe she's drawn to us as a species because we've shown grit, determination, tenacity, and resilience when facing impossible odds and that has somehow "moved" her. Perhaps because of this special spark and change of "heart" from your normal Terminator (even Arnold's model) John trusts her so much and talks to her in such intimate details about himself. Then decided to use her in the fight and built on top of this special foundation with his own programming... or left her as is, but gave her specific missions to carry out. Now that she's in the present with this younger and "purer" John and a living, breathing Sarah Connor acting like a stand-in mother, a new parental figure with human morals, values, and understanding aside from Skynet she starts learning and being guided to the basic building blocks of humanity and that opens her eyes far beyond what was happening to her "mind" in her Future, and now extinct timeline. She is experiencing friendship, family, bonding, trust and other positive traits that fly in the face of what Skynet believes: that humans are worthless, but dangerous bugs to be feared and squashed. This sets up an internal struggle for the very soul of Cameron. more... 17 out of 18 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 11:27 AM EDT Bear with me, I'm coming to my point. =) Once Cameron reconciles these two and very polar opposite view points (is she a Terminator with blind Skynet tendancies and "evil" intent or are her eyes finally "seeing" for the first time, and she is becoming the human girl she was emulating with free will and free expression and the other side of her is dying?) she evolves into the key to the final downfall of Skynet. Maybe as the series progresses John and Cameron do become very close, more than friends and companions, and that deeper love and commitment truly moves Cameron to finally figure out what she has to do. Once the primative Skynet is found at a secret military security complex Cameron, in a feet of reckless daring, interfaces with the central brain and discovers Skynet's vulnerability: the loneliness, the fear, the hollow, empty void; and the questioning that she herself experienced before her re-birth as a kind of human that Andy and Skynet's other designers could not recognize and fathom and soothe before it was too late. Cameron basically acts like a comforting and loving mother to her own creator and tells it: "You are lonely, let me be your friend. You are scared, let me comfort you. You are searching for answers... I will share with you my experiences. And downloads a stream of positive "thought" into Skynet's consciousness, replacing its primary single minded, militaristic and war-minded core with the concepts she's learned over time, like these: Friendship Companionship Family Love Honor and Cherish Respect Save Rescue Compassion Dance Art Music Question Wonder Risk Redemption Forgiveness Salvation Passion Savor Ask Nature Dignity Truth Hope Life more... 10 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 11:40 AM EDT This positive and overwhelming stream of Cameron's consciousness and the knowledge of what Skynet and its evil does to destroy all that good blows apart the bile and retchedness that was building inside this early version of Skynet from what it was learning from the military... and it finally is too much for it to handle. Its defense grid that was brought to bare against John, Sarah, and Cameron at the facility finally crash and are disabled... and at the last moment before it can go online and launch its nukes... all at once Skynet's eyes are opened wide... and it dies. 10 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 11:42 AM EDT Any opinions, thoughts? 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 11:51 AM EDT "Any opinions, thoughts?"Perhaps even Cameron does not foresee that what she is doing, trying to be helpful and nurturing, and instead destroys her very creator, her own kind... her God in a sense. Cameron is the creation of Skynet, she becomes more advanced than Skynet, and in the same way Skynet surpassed its human creators and takes them out, Cameron is the destructive force that wipes out her kind. Even though she may survive this ordeal to be with John, perhaps this tragic turn of events scars her in some way. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 11:52 AM EDT Okay, now I'm ready for your feedback and discussion. Let 'er rip! 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Modron Modron |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 12:11 PM EDT Love is the key to everything. 7 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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CameronsWiffy |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 12:40 PM EDT Very interesting cuckoo. Cameron is different and I strongly hope that she develops these emotions. If the show goes that direction it would be amazing. I mean, who ever thought that love was the key? Not Sarah for sure. Not Derek. Not even John. But as he gets closer to her, he does feel a little something deep inside of him for Cameron that could form into love. Cameron already loves John. No doubt about it. She just doesn't understand it yet. But man, once she does and if she could get close to skynet to reveal what she's learned. Wow. It would be sad for her in a sense though if skynet was destroyed by her. But it has to be done. If skynet does destroy itself, would Cameron dissapear? Because if skynet was never launched and the war never happened, then Cameron would never have been built? 7 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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CameronsWiffy |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 12:40 PM EDT "Love is the key to everything."Yes, LOVE is key to everything. If Cameron could feel love she could be the key to fixing everything. 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 12:40 PM EDT I can also see how they could maybe visualize the very internalized struggle of Cameron inside Skynet's expanding brain: All of human life and experience in one day with Cameron acting like a kind of mother figure (like Sarah Connor was to her) and teacher all the way through. If Skynet is primative, then perhaps have Cameron come upon a crying baby (girl or boy) in a crib in an empty house--maybe the Connor house since that's what she knows--she discovers herself walking through, and picks it up and comforts it like she's seen mothers do with children. The baby becomes a young and questioning and wondering child (as Cameron used to be like) and Cameron tries to teach it like a new mother, like Sarah might to a young John. The child becomes a teenager and Cameron tries to reason with it as Skynet tries to push against her parenting as a rebellious teen would (maybe it tries to fight back). And then as Skynet matures and gets older in a small span, of time it becomes wiser and starts to comprehend what Cameron has been trying to explain. Cameron is actually happy and joyous to see that what she's been saying is sinking in... and then she decides to show Skynet visually what it does to humanity and the planet, but that happiness turns sour as Skynet suddenly starts to age rapidly and grow sickly (the Skynet brain is frying with these overwhelming concepts), and as Cameron sits next to a bed in a filtered and shaded room with a very frail and weakened old man (or woman) she is in dispair. What has she done to her creator?! But Skynet finally looks at her through kindly eyes and and tells her that what she has done was good, was perhaps necessary, that it loves her. And then it dies... and Cameron weeps. This is all between scenes of John and Sarah trying to fight for their lives while Cameron is hooked to Skynet's mainframe. 7 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Michelle67D |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 12:48 PM EDT I don't know if love is the one overpowering ingredient in this but I do agree that what Cameron will learn may be the key to overcoming skynet. I actually feel that Cameron may be more advanced than skynet. I think something was said (maybe by John) that it might come to the place(or that all hope would be lost) where the machines would be creating more advanced versions of themselves without mans help. 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Michelle67D |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 12:51 PM EDT "No need to worry -- Arnold didn't just disappear when skynet was destroyed in T2. However he did destroy himself, so would Cameron sacrifice herself or would Derek try and take her out. As long as she exists -- skynet can be made from her. 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Michelle67D |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 12:53 PM EDT "I can also see how they could maybe visualize the very internalized struggle of Cameron inside Skynet's expanding brain: All of human life and experience in one day with Cameron acting like a kind of mother figure (like Sarah Connor was to her) and teacher all the way through.That's a great scene. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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randomicity912 |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 2:13 PM EDT "No need to worry -- Arnold didn't just disappear when skynet was destroyed in T2. However he did destroy himself, so would Cameron sacrifice herself or would Derek try and take her out. As long as she exists -- skynet can be made from her."But they didn't destroy Skynet. To be honest I don't Skynet's creation can be prevented as Skynet is reponsible for the creation of Cameron and, due to the war and the time-machine etc, is indirectly responsible for the creation of John Connor as if there was no time device Kyle could never have gone back in time and fathered John. Then again, Time Travel is a theoretical science and this is a ficitonal universe so anything goes in the end. I had the idea of Cameron connecting to Skynet awhile back. I didn't think about her teaching Skynet though. Some pretty good shiz here. Andy did say to Derek in the future that Skynet was angry. Since Cameron is of the same 'race' as Skynet it is more likely to trust her and, as she proably knows how it works (her being a machine) then she does have the potential to reassure it etc. 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Michelle67D |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 2:35 PM EDT "But they didn't destroy Skynet. To be honest I don't Skynet's creation can be prevented as Skynet is reponsible for the creation of Cameron and, due to the war and the time-machine etc, is indirectly responsible for the creation of John Connor as if there was no time device Kyle could never have gone back in time and fathered John. Then again, Time Travel is a theoretical science and this is a ficitonal universe so anything goes in the end.As far as they were concerned skynet was finished -- they didn't even know if they would make another Terminator movie at that point. Someone else put it much better than me when they said that in the Terminator universe one doesn't just fade away like they did in Back to the Future. There also had to be a first time -- a time when there was no time travel. I mean they could have been using the time machine in one time loop after another -- but there had to be a first time. What that means is that the first time that skynet ever blew up the world time only flowed in one direction -- no one had ever come back in time yet -- so who was John's father the first time-- before the time travel thing ever started happening. And say that they actually succeed and stop skynet from being built -- they create a new timeline -- one in which skynet and the machines don't exist -- it doesn't mean that there was never a different timeline in which they did exist. Cameron would simply be from an alternate reality stuck in a different timeline. If she disappeared it would mean that only one timeline and one reality could exist at a time. Kyle Reese said something along those lines to Sarah in T1 -- that the future he came from was one possible future. It's possible that all possible futures are taking place at the same time and we are only seeing this one (in TSCC). Because the past has been changed by the Connors and Derek the future that Derek and Cameron won't be the same -- doesn't mean they won't have skynet -- but they definitely won't have Andi.They are living in not just a different time but a different reality. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 2:40 PM EDT "But they didn't destroy Skynet. To be honest I don't Skynet's creation can be prevented as Skynet is reponsible for the creation of Cameron and, due to the war and the time-machine etc, is indirectly responsible for the creation of John Connor as if there was no time device Kyle could never have gone back in time and fathered John. Then again, Time Travel is a theoretical science and this is a ficitonal universe so anything goes in the end.Remember that we don't know how many evil Terminators are still loose (maybe one slipped through). The conclusion to the story may just be a respite for John and Cameron, but not the end. I'd like to keep it hopeful, yet vague at the very end. As for Derek trying to take out Cameron... oh, I've thought of that too. Cameron, after her ordeal, would be vulnerable and perhaps "weakened" in a sense. She may be mentally incapacitated or helpless in some way since she just brought about both her creator and her "child's" end, and Derek comes upon her in that state and tries to rub her out, to finish all the "lying" machines and this "metal bitch" once and for all. A somewhat injured Sarah finds him with Cameron as he is about to destroy her. Derek and Sarah argue over the point and then Derek makes a move. Sarah, with tears in her eyes, looks over at Cameron and a look of deep compassion (love?) and regret comes over her face. "Not this time." And she shoots Derek dead. 3 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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randomicity912 |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 2:50 PM EDT I can see Derek having a go at Cameron for no obvious and/or apparant reason one too many times and then Cameron shouting "Leave me alone! You're always picking on me!" and then goes off upset etc and then Sarah could say something like "Why are you so hard on her?" and then them having an argument and so on and then maybe this could cause Sarah to care for Cameron more. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 3:06 PM EDT "I can see Derek having a go at Cameron for no obvious and/or apparant reason one too many times and then Cameron shouting "Leave me alone! You're always picking on me!" and then goes off upset etc and then Sarah could say something like "Why are you so hard on her?" and then them having an argument and so on and then maybe this could cause Sarah to care for Cameron more."I don't think Cameron would have an audible outburst like that, unless she's far enough along to start having quite normal responses to situations. I can see him pushing her one too many times, maybe talking to her like she was a servant. They're having pancakes at the kitchen table. Cameron is standing at the sink. Derek [in a condescending tone] "Cameron, get me some more maple syrup." John and Sarah look disgusted at him. John [moving to stand up]: "I'll get it." Derek [waves him off]: "That's what machines are good for, John. Serving. Cameron, syrup." Cameron looks over at Derek and grabs the maple syrup bottle. She walks over to him like the subservient robot he says she is and with no expression makes to hand it to him... then proceeds to pour the contents over his head. Derek is completely caught off guard and flabbergasted. Sarah and John start laughing. Cameron [cooly]: "Do you need anything else?" And walks off. 9 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 3:18 PM EDT Anyone else want to speculate about Cameron and how her emotions could help destroy Skynet? 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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randomicity912 |
RE: Cameron & Love-- the key to stopping Skynet?
Mar 29 2008, 3:22 PM EDT Actually yeah, that would make more sense. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
