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Immortaljosh	THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 24 2008, 2:07 PM EDT Remember that Judgment Day was supposed to happen back in 97. But now it's been changed (what was it to like 2011?) Anyway remember at the very beginning of the season finale you see Kyle and his bro playing ball and you see the missles in the sky. Later on in the episode you see them both at nearly the same age. THIS MEANS THAT THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!! NOT AS AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE (like T-3) BUT TO WHERE EVEN KYLE'S BROS MEMORY HAS BEEN ALTERED!!! Post reply 2 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Balderdash	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 24 2008, 2:24 PM EDT I also remember Cameron stating in Episode 7? re T888 to Charlie when incinerating it " that all components must be destroyed otherwise technological evolution will be altered ... hastening Judgement day" . This to my mind implies that Judgement day is inevitable but action in the present can delay it. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Krazykaleb	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 24 2008, 2:25 PM EDT "Remember that Judgment Day was supposed to happen back in 97. But now it's been changed (what was it to like 2011?) Anyway remember at the very beginning of the season finale you see Kyle and his bro playing ball and you see the missles in the sky. Later on in the episode you see them both at nearly the same age. THIS MEANS THAT THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!! NOT AS AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE (like T-3) BUT TO WHERE EVEN KYLE'S BROS MEMORY HAS BEEN ALTERED!!!" It's still sceptical because if his memory has changed. Then when they prevent skynet from being created he ultimately doesn't exist in the past Because the time machine was never made. I think Derek's mind is more like Marty McFly (Back to the Future). He remembers his original past and his new one is new to him when he get back to his time. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Krazykaleb	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 24 2008, 2:27 PM EDT "I also remember Cameron stating in Episode 7? re T888 to Charlie when incinerating it " that all components must be destroyed otherwise technological evolution will be altered ... hastening Judgement day" . This to my mind implies that Judgement day is inevitable but action in the present can delay it." Or Skynet will always be built. They just have to keep delaying it forever. Kind of like a paradox. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DrMabuse DrMabuse	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 24 2008, 4:02 PM EDT "I also remember Cameron stating in Episode 7? re T888 to Charlie when incinerating it " that all components must be destroyed otherwise technological evolution will be altered ... hastening Judgement day" . This to my mind implies that Judgement day is inevitable but action in the present can delay it." Indeed. That may also be one reason why future JC sends back Cameron to make him and Sarah jump ahead 8 years. So he will still be young enough to lead the resistance. The more often you delay J-day the older JC will be once the war ends. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
VodkaPowered	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 24 2008, 4:48 PM EDT "Or Skynet will always be built. They just have to keep delaying it forever. Kind of like a paradox." jc is a paradox & skynet was a byproduct the way i see it. IF skynet didnt send a terminator back to 84 to kill sarah, kyle wouldnt have had a chance to knock up sarah to give birth to jc and that there would not be a super advanced computer chip to reverse engineer from to build skynet me thinks at any point, if u kill jc. the war would be won on the spot, as there wont even be a skynet.....provided effects in history has a ripple effect, in the show it does suggest that, since u can delay j-day Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Immortaljosh	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 24 2008, 4:49 PM EDT OMFG THEY'VE FUCKED UP SPACE AND TIME! Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Schmacky	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 24 2008, 4:56 PM EDT "Remember that Judgment Day was supposed to happen back in 97. But now it's been changed (what was it to like 2011?) Anyway remember at the very beginning of the season finale you see Kyle and his bro playing ball and you see the missles in the sky. Later on in the episode you see them both at nearly the same age. THIS MEANS THAT THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!! NOT AS AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE (like T-3) BUT TO WHERE EVEN KYLE'S BROS MEMORY HAS BEEN ALTERED!!!" It hasn't been changed. I don't see what your point is about the boys in the park? In the opening of the finale, Kyle is 8 or 9 years old. At the end, he's 5. JD really is only less than 4 years away, Derek's memory didn't change because nothing changed. So far, the future is the same.. JD happening in April of 2011. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
VodkaPowered	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 24 2008, 5:07 PM EDT there are 2 theories for effects of time travelling. 1) there is no paradox, if u exist now, u exist any point in time, there is no law of physics (that we know of yet) to contradict that. does matter what u do, future remains unchanged 2) there are paradoxes, if u killed ur grandpa, u cease to exist & etc. terminator franchise did a very horrible job on this, they included elements of both. thats why is confusing as hell Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Michelle67D	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 24 2008, 5:42 PM EDT "It hasn't been changed. I don't see what your point is about the boys in the park? In the opening of the finale, Kyle is 8 or 9 years old. At the end, he's 5. JD really is only less than 4 years away, Derek's memory didn't change because nothing changed. So far, the future is the same.. JD happening in April of 2011. " Yeh, JD is still right on schedule but one thing is different -- no Andy. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Modron Modron	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 24 2008, 6:15 PM EDT "THIS MEANS THAT THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!! NOT AS AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE (like T-3) BUT TO WHERE EVEN KYLE'S BROS MEMORY HAS BEEN ALTERED!!!" It feels to me like you're making a really big leap in comparing assuming Derek's memories have been altered. The first scene bewteen Derek and Cameron was in a completely different location. It's not an altered memory Derek is just watching a different past event. And I didn't get any sense from the second scene that Derek's memories or feelings about the Skynet threat have changed. And, I don't think the time-space continuum works in the Terminator universe that there's backward and forward changes in memory. Changing events in the past changes events in the future but that the actors' memories remain intact. If not why wouldn't the demise of the Terminator in T2 result in a change in Sarah's and John's memories, and Silberman's? Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
T-1976	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 24 2008, 6:30 PM EDT I think the premise is....keep delaying Judgement Day until it is no longer what the future is. Kinda like a bad weather forecast that weather people do....if the forecast is wrong, they keep pushing it along, until they push it out of the forecast then people forget what they said the weather is gonna be Post reply Do you find this valuable?
DrMabuse DrMabuse	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 24 2008, 6:36 PM EDT "Yeh, JD is still right on schedule but one thing is different -- no Andy." And there is already one thing that changed. Who knows what his replacement is going to do? Maybe he will build an even smarter Skynet then Andy did. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Modron Modron	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 24 2008, 6:57 PM EDT "It feels to me like you're making a really big leap in comparing assuming Derek's memories have been altered. The first scene bewteen Derek and Cameron was in a completely different location. It's not an altered memory Derek is just watching a different past event. And I didn't get any sense from the second scene that Derek's memories or feelings about the Skynet threat have changed. And, I don't think the time-space continuum works in the Terminator universe that there's backward and forward changes in memory. Changing events in the past changes events in the future but that the actors' memories remain intact. If not why wouldn't the demise of the Terminator in T2 result in a change in Sarah's and John's memories, and Silberman's?" The first scene bewteen Derek and Cameron --- sorry, meant to say Kyle. Thanks for understanding. Although I guess it could include different events where Derek and Cameron interacted in the future, too. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
crottyjr@yahoo.com crottyjr@yahoo.com	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 25 2008, 9:49 PM EDT "Remember that Judgment Day was supposed to happen back in 97. But now it's been changed (what was it to like 2011?) Anyway remember at the very beginning of the season finale you see Kyle and his bro playing ball and you see the missles in the sky. Later on in the episode you see them both at nearly the same age. THIS MEANS THAT THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!! NOT AS AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE (like T-3) BUT TO WHERE EVEN KYLE'S BROS MEMORY HAS BEEN ALTERED!!!" What I cannot understand is, if they keep on delaying Judgment day, they are screwing themselves. Reese said in the terminator they don't know tech stuff. With technology advanced so much further in 2011, and man so much further behind, that will leave us in a bad spot. We don't have the resources to develop the tech for the future, but Skynet does and he will have the advantage. the more advanced technology Skynet can develop accelerates it's learning curve and it will make it exponentially harder for us to win a war against it. It's true we have changed time. The Reese boys certainly seem different in the last episodes, but in this reality the war might go bad for man because of what they have done. I don't know how much effect we can have on already made memories and actions, since everytime we travel back in time it would be a different world because of our actions the last time around, so I wouldn't be too sure that Reese's memories were really changed. Maybe that's how it happened-or it will happen, or did. Or whatever. You know what i mean. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
socialss socialss	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 25 2008, 10:11 PM EDT In 2007 when John sees Kyle, Kyle is 5 ( Derek says not bad for a 5 year old). In the beginning of the episode Kyle looks about 8 or 9 or at least significantly older than the kid playing the 5 year old. Also, Derek says he was 16 when the bombs went off so he is 12 or 13 and again Kyle is 5. Tbis all equates to a 3 to 4 year gap (2011) so this proves nothing about the future being changed. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
t5000	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 25 2008, 10:14 PM EDT well kyle said in T-1 that the future is not set, it can be changed! so every time they change things , basically all their actions on this show is changing the future, to what ..... who can say. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Immortaljosh	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 25 2008, 10:24 PM EDT They are definetly making Skynet more powerful if they keep delaying Judgment Day. Also I believe that Judgment Day is enevitable. They can try as hard as they can but it's gonna come. For example, John Connor sending Kyle back to time to protect Sarah ends up creating him. It also leads to the creation of Skynet (the first Terminators chip) Originaly Judgment Day was supposed to happen back in 1997, but because of destroying the research at Cyberdyne, they've delayed it to 2011. So, this means that the future has been changed. God damn it this is so confusing. Just remember about the original date for Judgment Day, 1997. Now it's 2011. So the future has been altered (just slightly), but it's still damn confusing. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Modron Modron	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 26 2008, 1:46 AM EDT "They are definetly making Skynet more powerful if they keep delaying Judgment Day. Also I believe that Judgment Day is enevitable. They can try as hard as they can but it's gonna come. For example, John Connor sending Kyle back to time to protect Sarah ends up creating him. It also leads to the creation of Skynet (the first Terminators chip) Originaly Judgment Day was supposed to happen back in 1997, but because of destroying the research at Cyberdyne, they've delayed it to 2011. So, this means that the future has been changed. God damn it this is so confusing. Just remember about the original date for Judgment Day, 1997. Now it's 2011. So the future has been altered (just slightly), but it's still damn confusing." How does delaying Judgment Day in and of itself make Skynet more powerful? If the characters can't change the earth's destiny, what's the point? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
crottyjr@yahoo.com crottyjr@yahoo.com	RE: THE FUTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! Mar 26 2008, 8:29 AM EDT "How does delaying Judgment Day in and of itself make Skynet more powerful? If the characters can't change the earth's destiny, what's the point? " By delaying Judgment day it allows Skynet access to more sophisticated technology. since they say that Skynet creates feasible time travel in 2028 or so, the with more technology what could Skynet do? Humans conceded that they do not have the education/ resources in the future to develop their own technological base, so as they delay J-day, Skynet grows more powerful. The humans are altering history in this timeline, but perhaps not for the better of themselves. Before they start sending back all these people they should have a well thought out strategy on how they intend to impeded Skynet's process, consider all the repercussions and possibilities and potential outcomes. If the future is not set, then that means Skynet could end up winning too. By giving it a more solid technological base to work with we may be doing that. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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