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intrepid
intrepid
School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 3:14 AM EDT
I think the school story has been largely overlooked, it seems that the writers were setting up some sort of storyline involving the people at school and the secrets they are hiding but didn’t have time to move it along much. Any theories? Do you find this valuable?    
intrepid
intrepid
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 3:15 AM EDT
I’ll start off with the mysterious graffiti artist, who is this person and how did they find out someone’s darkest secret? And why are they tormenting them with it? And are they a danger to John who has his own secret to keep.
Cheri Westin, Johns chem. partner, also relatively new to the school, who has “Wichita”(deleted scene) spray painted in the back of her locker, something “bad” happened at her old school and is kept on a short leash by her farther and is considered “damaged goods” by her peers. A possible romantic partner for John or is she there to set up a future story line?
Jordan Cowan, “the crying one from the bathroom” who was she romantically involved with that she thought it would be better to commit suicide than have it exposed? She also had” Is he worth it?” And a baseball silhouette (deleted scene) spray painted at the back of her locker. And what is the significance of “IDAN” on the door of the graffiti painting. Is it a name or word or part of one?
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intrepid
intrepid
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 3:17 AM EDT
I may be wrong but I think I figured out some of the Jordan story, if you watch the scene where Cameron go’s to grief counselling with Mr Harris he keeps pressing her about what Jordan told her.
H.”Did Jordan mention any names? Any specific people that she was upset with?
C. “Her parents”
H. “Anyone else?”
C. “The hall monitors”
H. “Anyone else?”
C. “You ask that question a lot, is there anything else you want to tell me?”
H. “I don’t think I told you anything”
C. “Oh, Ok, Can I go now? I’m done with grief counselling and I feel much better”
H. “yes, please, go”
It isn’t so much what is said but Cameron’s reaction to what Mr Harris is asking that I find interesting, its like she has figured out why he’s asking her questions which has nothing to do with grief counselling and from his perspective he doesn’t know what he’s just let slip. If Mr Harris was having an affair with Jordan that’s something she might kill herself over than let it get out and he would have a vested interest in finding out if she had told anybody before she died. Also he has a baseball on his desk which ties into the graffiti in Jordan’s locker (deleted scene)
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VodkaPowered
VodkaPowered
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 3:36 AM EDT
maybe cheri's important, maybe thats not her father, he might have died...... JUST MAYBE thats a terminator sent back by john to keep her ass alive for some thing, she doesnt have the past experience with terminators as john did. OR
maybe skynet sent that terminator back, killed her parents & is controlling her to do some deeds for it?
maybe next time mr. horny er... i mean harris, talk to cameron, he'll end up in a trunk for asking too many questions? (keep ur fingers crossed XD )
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Michelle67D
Michelle67D
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 11:19 AM EDT
"I may be wrong but I think I figured out some of the Jordan story, if you watch the scene where Cameron go’s to grief counselling with Mr Harris he keeps pressing her about what Jordan told her.
H.”Did Jordan mention any names? Any specific people that she was upset with?
C. “Her parents”
H. “Anyone else?”
C. “The hall monitors”
H. “Anyone else?”
C. “You ask that question a lot, is there anything else you want to tell me?”
H. “I don’t think I told you anything”
C. “Oh, Ok, Can I go now? I’m done with grief counselling and I feel much better”
H. “yes, please, go”
It isn’t so much what is said but Cameron’s reaction to what Mr Harris is asking that I find interesting, its like she has figured out why he’s asking her questions which has nothing to do with grief counselling and from his perspective he doesn’t know what he’s just let slip. If Mr Harris was having an affair with Jordan that’s something she might kill herself over than let it get out and he would have a vested interest in finding out if she had told anybody before she died. Also he has a baseball on his desk which ties into the graffiti in Jordan’s locker (deleted scene)"
That's a pretty interesting observation - you may be on to something there.Where do you think they'll go with it?

At first I thought that Cameron might be drawn into it -- since it was obvious that it was probably some guy -- that maybe the guy's next target might be Cameron but if Mr.Harris was the guy -- I don't think he would be interested -I think she scares the hell out of him.

I loved that scene -- his reaction to Cameron was priceless when she was actually telling them what the girl said. Could be possible that with Sarah's explanation of why Cameron was acting so weird may cause him to call her back in thinking she needs counseling. Now that I think about it - if he is taking advantage of young girls and he thinks Cameron is vunerable because of the tornado Sarah talked about including the suicide she may indeed be a target. If so - he's in for a surprise.

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DrMabuse

DrMabuse
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 11:39 AM EDT
I was thinking the same. That guy definatly has something to hide. Now that I think about it he even may be the 'artist'. Trying to get Jordan to commit suicide to save his career. She probably had an affair with him and wanted to announce it to the world or something. Which would mean he would lose his job and probably be send to jail for statitory rape or something. But beeing the dirty councel guy he is he won't be able to keep it in his pants. And if he thinks precious knows something, and her question if theres anything else he would like to tell her, probably looks to him that she does know more could mean he would want her to come back for some more 'councelling.'
But. Question is if Cameron and John will still be students at that school now that Sarkissian blew up Cameron and the car. Car bombings tend to draw the attention of the police. And thats the kind of attention that sends the Connors running for the hills.
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Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 12:34 PM EDT
Did you even notice they even show violence in schools like for instance: They had Cromartie kill that school administrator in episode 8: Vick's chip. Then they even had Cromartie shoot at John in the first episode. Right in front of a whole class. Just sharing somthing I found interesting.

And yes what's up with that girl in John's school that she is so secretive. I'm sure her dad has to do with the main plot of skynet somehow. Any Ideas who her father may be?
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FrenchFanofTSCC
FrenchFanofTSCC
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 12:40 PM EDT
Yes u right lot of action in school,John must change school or fight ! Do you find this valuable?    
DrMabuse

DrMabuse
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 12:45 PM EDT
"And yes what's up with that girl in John's school that she is so secretive. I'm sure her dad has to do with the main plot of skynet somehow. Any Ideas who her father may be?"
Maybe he's just in the witness protection programm. Some former mobster giving intel on his outfit to the feds.
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LiquidMetal
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RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 12:48 PM EDT
That entire school episode was altered due to the on-campus killings at Virginia Tech. In the original script, every kid in the classroom was killed or severely injured. They toned it down by having Cromartie shoot at everything and miss. Terminators are really bad shots. 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Krazykaleb
Krazykaleb
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 12:52 PM EDT
"That entire school episode was altered due to the on-campus killings at Virginia Tech. In the original script, every kid in the classroom was killed or severely injured. They toned it down by having Cromartie shoot at everything and miss. Terminators are really bad shots. "
But still he dischared a weapon on a school campus. I would still consider that pretty crazy and interesting if they keep going with it next season. They might be able to put more contraversy around the show like FOX has done with "24". Just a thought.
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VodkaPowered
VodkaPowered
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 1:16 PM EDT
"And yes what's up with that girl in John's school that she is so secretive. I'm sure her dad has to do with the main plot of skynet somehow. Any Ideas who her father may be?"
u obviously didnt read my post, about my speculations :P
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intrepid
intrepid
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 7:32 PM EDT
I would still like to know what “IDAN” means, at first I thought it was “Dan” short for Jordan until it got an “I” in front of it, I don’t know if it was some sort of word puzzle or a incomplete word but its bothering me that I cant figure it out. I believe it has some significance if we can work out what it means Do you find this valuable?    
Michelle67D
Michelle67D
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 8:12 PM EDT
"I was thinking the same. That guy definatly has something to hide. Now that I think about it he even may be the 'artist'. Trying to get Jordan to commit suicide to save his career. She probably had an affair with him and wanted to announce it to the world or something. Which would mean he would lose his job and probably be send to jail for statitory rape or something. But beeing the dirty councel guy he is he won't be able to keep it in his pants. And if he thinks precious knows something, and her question if theres anything else he would like to tell her, probably looks to him that she does know more could mean he would want her to come back for some more 'councelling.'
But. Question is if Cameron and John will still be students at that school now that Sarkissian blew up Cameron and the car. Car bombings tend to draw the attention of the police. And thats the kind of attention that sends the Connors running for the hills. "
I think that if Ellison comes into play in the opener and winds up helping Sarah(afterall she did save his life) that he may be able to get the cops off of her for a while.

I really don't think they can just drop the school plot and move them off to another school.
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Modron

Modron
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 8:16 PM EDT
"I think the school story has been largely overlooked, it seems that the writers were setting up some sort of storyline involving the people at school and the secrets they are hiding but didn’t have time to move it along much. Any theories?"
Writers strike threw off the stroy arc. I agree, I definately see potential with the school secrets. Might normalize the tale for John a bit.
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DrMabuse

DrMabuse
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 8:21 PM EDT
"I think that if Ellison comes into play in the opener and winds up helping Sarah(afterall she did save his life) that he may be able to get the cops off of her for a while.

I really don't think they can just drop the school plot and move them off to another school."
I think Ellison, for the time beeing, has enough issues of his own to deal with, he sort of lost an entire SWAT team, and won't be able to help himself let alone two wanted fugitives and their gorgeouse bodyguard. But I would like to see more of the school plot as well.
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Sully889
Sully889
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 8:23 PM EDT
"Writers strike threw off the stroy arc. I agree, I definately see potential with the school secrets. Might normalize the tale for John a bit."
I agree, more people can relate to this than the actual terminator part, it gives the show more of an oppritunity to retain more viewers. It''s also a little refreshing from the always running and hidding aspect of the show. It's nice to see them interact in public.
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DrMabuse

DrMabuse
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 8:27 PM EDT
"I agree, more people can relate to this than the actual terminator part, it gives the show more of an oppritunity to retain more viewers. It''s also a little refreshing from the always running and hidding aspect of the show. It's nice to see them interact in public."
I agree. Not everything on the show needs to be tied somehow into the main storyline. Bad things can happen even without Skynet.
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Michelle67D
Michelle67D
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 8:29 PM EDT
"I think Ellison, for the time beeing, has enough issues of his own to deal with, he sort of lost an entire SWAT team, and won't be able to help himself let alone two wanted fugitives and their gorgeouse bodyguard. But I would like to see more of the school plot as well."
I kind of think that both he and Charlie will rush to Sarah's residence when they hear the report on the radio that there has been an explosion. Charlie will get all the other ambulances away by being the medic that supposidly takes care of Cameron and Ellison will deal with the police.

Maybe it won't go down that way but it's the only way I can see for now with them dealing with the situation with Cameron. The police and ambulance will have to be called.
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Modron

Modron
RE: School Secrets
Mar 20 2008, 8:32 PM EDT
"It''s also a little refreshing from the always running and hidding aspect of the show. It's nice to see them interact in public."
Yeah, the brief scene when the school counselor interviews Cameron about talking to the one girl before her death and then calls the mom, Sarah, to discuss his concerns about Camerons reaction to the death was a nice change of pace. I thought Lena Headey did a nice job shifting gears from mom of humankind's salvation to mom of troubled kid.
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