Discussion: What do you think happened in the basement below?

"I think is't another version of Cameron who took their (Derek's and the others) blood to create more advanced regenerating skin. That Instantaneously regrows like wolverine. They are using actual human blood to create the synthetic blood. But, It also could be the original Cameron before she was reprogramed. But personally I think Cameron is one of two prototypes. One with emotion and one with one objective which is to kill or be killed."

"Like your idea: after years of humans capturing and reprogramming terminators, skynet decides turnabout is fair play and decides to reprogram humans. The writers could have a lot of fun with this next season."

"To expand on Krazykaleb's idea of chip implantation in humans (specifically Derek), here is an article on actual chip implantation in insects. This is a DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects) program that gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "fly on the wall."

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/03/18/222271/cyborg-insects-born-in-darpa-project.html

[Excerpt] Insects with modified body structures and embedded micro-electromechanical systems (MEMS) have survived to adulthood in a US Defense Advanced Reseach Projects Agency (DARPA) programme.
DARPA wants to develop inexpensive micro air vehicles to find weapons and explosives inside buildings or caves. Mechanical and fluidic microsystems would allow remote control, could extend insect life, and provide for gas, audio and even imaging sensors.
In the latest work a Manduca moth had its thorax truncated to reduce its mass and had a MEMS component added where abdominal segments would have been, during the larval stage.
Images taken by x-ray of insects with these changes and others found that tissue growth around the inserted probes was good. One DARPA goal is to show that during locomotion the heat and mechanical power generated by the thorax could be harnessed to power the MEMS.
…Robert Michelson said: "You'd like this [cyborg insect] to be created out where you need it rather than in a lab in California."
He added that drawbacks included the short life-span of insects, which means they could be dead before they are needed, and the fact that MEMS insertion was labour-intensive.
One of DARPA's goals is to remote-pilot a cyborg insect to within 100m (327ft) of a target…
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"For some reason is till think it was Cameron down there, and I base this all on the reactions that Derek had to her. His first was after they returned and he saw her in teh bunker, if she was a newer advanced model I think it's safe to say not many people had seen her yet. But he reconized her as metal (again, I coul dbe wrong). 2) how he reacted to her in the present. I mean, I totally understand him having an adverse reaction to all things terminator, but you normally have a stronger reaction to someone that has cause you true bodily harm. Like when a woman comes face to face with the man who raped her. Yeah, she's going to be weary of all men from the day that the assult happened, but when face to face with the one who did it, she would act out more. That's how Derek reacts with Cameron. Plus when he hears the music as she dances in the bedroom, the look on his face is pure dusgust, there is no awe there only hate and disbelief that a machine could mimic a human dance so well, flawless.

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"I'm not so sure that it was a look of disgust. I've looked at that clip over and over again and the closest I can get to his expression is someone who just had his heart ripped out. No I'm not saying that he was in love with Cameron before finding out she was metal although that is a possibility since she is an infiltration unit. I just don't think his expression is so cut and dry. It looks like a lot of things are passing through his mind.

I like your comments on the rape thing. I think you hit it dead on in your explanation. He hates all terminators but Cameron is the ONE that did something to him.

In the Demon Hand, Derek explains to John something that gave the impression(sorry can't remember the exact lines) that made it sound like that sometimes what happens behind 4 walls can cause a person to stop fighting(to give up). If it turns out that it wasn't John who was behind the capture of Derek(for testing reasons) and it was indeed skynet, I wonder if maybe skynet was convinced that whatever was revealed to them in the basement would be so devastating that it would take all the fight out of them and they would give up so much so that skynet ordered them to be released.

It might be that the advancement of the machine has gone so far in the future that there is no hope of winning. John said something along those lines in one of the earlier eppy's about that being the case if they could repair and upgrade themselves(something to that affect). Derek may have lost hope in the future -- but with having the opportunity to chase the past it looks like he's got his fight back.The question is what could be so shocking about the machines development as to wipe out someone's will to fight anymore. I like the John arranged it thing better but just looking at other possibilities."

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As far as John torturing anyone, I really don't think that happened. John needed to find out who he could trust for an important mission back in time. He also needed to ferret out the traitor in the group.

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"Or they could of had thier mind inplanted with a liquid metal nano bots that controls their mind subliminally to become terminators! call the robots: T- NB"