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 XeRoX2k2 |
skynet logic
Mar 12 2008, 8:25 PM EDT i was just thinking about programming and recursion (if a function can't answer your question it calls itself and passes a subset of the information it's been working on to a copy of itself,which then passes to a smaller subset of that information to another copy of it self,repeating until the tiniest part of the question can be answered and that passed back answering the previous question until you finally get back an answer to the original question) {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion} don't worry if that doesn't make sense. the point being if i was thinking like a computer,and i couldn't kill john connor,i would try to kill his mother before he was born,if i couldn't do that i would go after Sarah's mother before she was born,if that failed i would go after sarah's grandmother before her mother was born,etc eventually you would kill off one of sarah's ancestors and thus prevent john from existing most of that information (who her parents were) would be publicly available in census records if sarah was say 35 in 1999 and john was 16 sarah had john in 1983 when she was 19 sarah would be born in 1964 and her mother would be 20's or 30s her mother would be born in the 1930s her grandmother would be born in the 1900's the point is the farther back you go the easier it would be for a terminator to kill someone,since the previous generation would be least expecting a robot come assassinate them,or push them in front of a train or a stagecoach or collapse a coalmine on them.. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
 GoldenBuffy |
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Mar 12 2008, 8:33 PM EDT Yeah, I thought that way too, but I think it was T-1976 pointed out to me, and I had forgotten that in T-1 Reese told Sarah that after the bombs were dropped the majority of all records were lost (destoryed) and the only information Skynet had on John Conner's mother was her name, Sarah Conner, and the city that she lived in. Other than that it had nothing else to go on. Also, after the escape from teh police station and are on the run, the Terminator is showling looking through Sarah's address book, and finding her mother's house. So he had go through her things just to find out who her mother was, just as he went down the list of Sarah Conners in the phone book to kill her. 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Coven |
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Mar 12 2008, 8:43 PM EDT "Yeah, I thought that way too, but I think it was T-1976 pointed out to me, and I had forgotten that in T-1 Reese told Sarah that after the bombs were dropped the majority of all records were lost (destoryed) and the only information Skynet had on John Conner's mother was her name, Sarah Conner, and the city that she lived in. Other than that it had nothing else to go on. Also, after the escape from teh police station and are on the run, the Terminator is showling looking through Sarah's address book, and finding her mother's house. So he had go through her things just to find out who her mother was, just as he went down the list of Sarah Conners in the phone book to kill her."Exactly! Skynet has almost no knowledge about Sarah besides her name, and the city she lived in, as you stated. Heck, they didn't even know what she looked like. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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XeRoX2k2 |
RE: skynet logic
Mar 12 2008, 8:46 PM EDT "Yeah, I thought that way too, but I think it was T-1976 pointed out to me, and I had forgotten that in T-1 Reese told Sarah that after the bombs were dropped the majority of all records were lost (destoryed) and the only information Skynet had on John Conner's mother was her name, Sarah Conner, and the city that she lived in. Other than that it had nothing else to go on. Also, after the escape from teh police station and are on the run, the Terminator is showling looking through Sarah's address book, and finding her mother's house. So he had go through her things just to find out who her mother was, just as he went down the list of Sarah Conners in the phone book to kill her."interesting,i never thought of that, so skynet would have to send back a reconnaissance terminator (nerdinator) to go into every library and ocr all the census records and trace back sarahs ancestors as far back as possible then go hide in a fallout shelter and standby until it can add that data into skynet's database 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
 scud133 |
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Mar 12 2008, 8:49 PM EDT "interesting,i never thought of that, so skynet would have to send back a reconnaissance terminator (nerdinator) to go into every library and ocr all the census records and trace back sarahs ancestors as far back as possible then go hide in a fallout shelter and standby until it can add that data into skynet's database"nerdinators could be the most dangerous of all 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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GoldenBuffy |
RE: skynet logic
Mar 12 2008, 8:59 PM EDT "interesting,i never thought of that, so skynet would have to send back a reconnaissance terminator (nerdinator) to go into every library and ocr all the census records and trace back sarahs ancestors as far back as possible then go hide in a fallout shelter and standby until it can add that data into skynet's database"ROFL, Oh, no! I picture then with thivk black glasses taped together. That would be a scary thing though, then Skynet would have everything it needed on Sarah and her whole family. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Michelle67D |
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Mar 12 2008, 9:34 PM EDT I wonder why Skynet chose the particular times that it did. Before he was born and when he was pre-teen (teen whatever). I mean why not go after Sarah when she was her most vunerable -- pregnant. Kinda hard running from a terminator at eight or nine months. Or just keep sending terminators to take out Sarah before John is born over and over again until one succeeds. I mean it waited until Sarah gained some knowledge on how to fight the machines before it starts coming after her again. In T2 she was already pretty much prepared and trained for the future war with skynet. Do you find this valuable? |
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GoldenBuffy |
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Mar 12 2008, 11:16 PM EDT I don't think Skynet is able to process the fact that women are more vulnerable while their pregnant. For a program it wouldn't know that, all it knows is 1) Humans are the enemy and 2) Sarah Connor must be terminated to prevent John from defeating Skynet. It also had to rebuild it's time machine, since John and his gang destroyed the first one after sending Kyle through. And if Skynet rebuilt who's to say that Connor didn't taken the schematics for the first time machine to build his own. (Like on the show) So if another machine was sent back to off Sarah then it might be safe to say that John already had a sleep cell waiting to protect his mom. For a computer that decided to off humanity I don't think it's all that bright. Do you find this valuable? |
 pb67 |
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Apr 23 2008, 4:49 PM EDT "I wonder why Skynet chose the particular times that it did. Before he was born and when he was pre-teen (teen whatever). I mean why not go after Sarah when she was her most vunerable -- pregnant. Kinda hard running from a terminator at eight or nine months.Don't know why this thread popped up just now, but it's interesting so ... we can probably work up a little explanation if we need to (hey, it's fun). In T1 Sarah was a college student - one of the few records to survive was her initial enrolment. So Skynet had a fixed date and place - Sarah Connor, LA, 1984 (1983, 1985 ... take your pick of alternate timelines). After that she had vanished so it had no idea where to start its search for the 9-months pregnant Sarah. It probably did not actually know how old John was either, only that she wasn't pregnant at enrolment (we had medicals when I started University, it's conceivable they might detect a pregnancy) and hence all it knew was 1984 was pre-John and a suitable time to attack . The next "fixed point " it had was Sarah signing away custody of John (thanks, TSCC). In the "original" non-T2 timeline the record of the adoption and Jenelle's address was recorded and survived into the future, giving Skynet its second bite of the cherry. There we go :-) As for multiple trips, we can just say that time is like a ball of timey-wimey stuff and you can't cross your own timeline, (c) Doctor Who :o) Since there are no rules, its also easy enough for us to declare that it took time/energy for Skynet to despatch a unit to the past and so in the T1/T2 timeline it only had two "slots" available to despatch Terminators before the Techom forces would overpower the facility. It calculated that it stood better odds making two separate attempts than sending a tag team to a single location. T3 and TSCC are alternate timelines and thus have more "slots" for sending units back. Although, one still has to wonder why the three terminators sent back don't team up - 3:1 numerical superiority at point of contact is standard doctrine anyway, although perhaps details of unit locations is compartmentalisd info. Do you find this valuable? |
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Modron Modron |
RE: skynet logic
Apr 23 2008, 7:08 PM EDT "Or just keep sending terminators to take out Sarah before John is born over and over again until one succeeds. "In T1 wasn't the idea that the number of time travels was limited? For the purposes of the movie franchise , and now the series, limitations on time travel may have been written out of the story, but my recollection is that, originally, there were not infinite numbers of time travels available to either the Resistance or SkyNet. Do you find this valuable? |
 mg.mikael |
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Apr 23 2008, 9:06 PM EDT "her mother would be born in the 1930sThat would be AWESOME to see a terminator killing someone in the early 1900's. And because almost nothing they had back then could really eliminate a terminator. That terminator would practically be a god. Do you find this valuable? |
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mg.mikael |
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Apr 23 2008, 9:08 PM EDT Yes, I know it wouldn't be possible for Skynet, because of the records being gone, but it still would be awesome to see that happen. Do you find this valuable? |
 udm |
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Apr 24 2008, 3:36 AM EDT "interesting,i never thought of that, so skynet would have to send back a reconnaissance terminator (nerdinator) to go into every library and ocr all the census records and trace back sarahs ancestors as far back as possible then go hide in a fallout shelter and standby until it can add that data into skynet's database""(nerdinator)" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *takes deep breath* HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Sorry, that was really hilarious On the sidenote, did anyone notice that Skynet is actually causing its own demise? If it had never tried to send back the T800 to kill Sarah Connor, then Kyle Reese wouldn't be sent back either and John wouldn't be born Do you find this valuable? |
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udm |
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Apr 24 2008, 3:39 AM EDT " That would be AWESOME to see a terminator killing someone in the early 1900's. And because almost nothing they had back then could really eliminate a terminator. That terminator would practically be a god."Hilarity ensues as you watch a bunch of ragtag soldiers trying to destroy a terminator with one-shot pistols that fire out metal balls, and they kill themselves because the metal balls ricochet off the terminator and fly back at them Oh don't forget the horses too. Some spud will try to play hero by riding a horse and swinging a sabre at the terminator's head. He strikes, but ends up breaking his sabre into half. Then, imagine the "oshit" expression on his face the next second... 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |