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Omegarium
Omegarium
Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 5:20 PM EST
In the episode 8, 'Vick's chip', John could have used Cameron's chip while she was turned off, in order to discover what she has seen and done so far, and what she lied to him about. But he didn't... 5  out of 5 found this valuable. Do you?    
Omegarium
Omegarium
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 5:22 PM EST
Moreover, Cameron could have foreseen such a possibility, yet she let him take her chip in order to hack the traffic system anyway. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
scud133
scud133
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 5:24 PM EST
"In the episode 8, 'Vick's chip', John could have used Cameron's chip while she was turned off, in order to discover what she has seen and done so far, and what she lied to him about. But he didn't..."
I get the sense that John really doesn't want to know. He could've pressed the issue when she admitted that she lies, but he pretty much left it at that. The majority of Cameron's memory is probably a bunch of terrifying stuff from the future, anyway.

Would you want to see a video of yourself from 20 years later, in an apocalyptic future, and know exactly what you are going to do?
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Omegarium
Omegarium
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 5:26 PM EST
"I get the sense that John really doesn't want to know. He could've pressed the issue when she admitted that she lies, but he pretty much left it at that. The majority of Cameron's memory is probably a bunch of terrifying stuff from the future, anyway.

Would you want to see a video of yourself from 20 years later, in an apocalyptic future, and know exactly what you are going to do?"
Haha, Cameron's sex-tape hidden in her central memory !
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AgentJDT-1000
AgentJDT-1000
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 5:32 PM EST
I think it would be too much info that still would probably need to be played out in the series. 3  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
ElldenStorm
ElldenStorm
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 5:32 PM EST
She said she lied. Yes. She also said that she lied about important things too... But you know, lets think about this. John has to be smart enough to know that those lies are probably part of her mission directives. She likely isn't lieing for the sake of lieing, or because she's untrustworthy and has malicious intent. But because she can't tell him the truth. She can't tell him certain things that are probably dangerous to the timeline, and him believing certain things or knowing them at certaining points in time could be pivotal in his growth into the individual he needs to be in the future. It's probably a very precarious game she has to play. While she is willing to help strike at SkyNet's genesis. She also has to balance it, because she has been programmed not to take the chance that if they fail, SkyNet acheives sentience and goes on the warpath, that John isn't WHO he needs to be. So yes, she'd absolutely has to lie about certain things, and keep things from the Connors. 7  out of 7 found this valuable. Do you?    
Sully889
Sully889
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 5:37 PM EST
Ya know what would be messed up, if john was looking through her memory and stumbled upon this scene where cameron is lying in bed and there is some guy sitting on the other side of the bed putting a shirt on. The guy turns out to be Derek. Derek gets up and says, "Later baby." Ahhhhhh, what would John think? 2  out of 11 found this valuable. Do you?    
Mebaman
Mebaman
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 5:39 PM EST
A few potential reasons: (1) The group is operating with time constraints and is in constant fear of being tracked down by pursuers. They don't want Cameron down any longer than necessary lest she suddenly be required for more anti-Terminator tasks; (2) The same reason John stroked the side of her head - he's beginning to appreciate her as a new, albeit different, form of life entitled to a modicum of respect. It would be rude to needlessly endanger her "brain" by messing around with it anymore than necessary or poke around in there without her consent (I think this theme is also alluded to in the household conflicts arising from invasions of personal space - i.e. Derek in people's bedrooms and Sarah invading Derek's shower time); (3) Her neural net processor is remarkably more sophisticated than the T-888's and could not be handled by the computer equipment in John's bedroom; (4) In all of the excitement, no one considered it; or (5) a combination of some of the aforementioned factors. 2  out of 3 found this valuable. Do you?    
wildbird5150
wildbird5150
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 5:42 PM EST
Sometimes you trust people (machines in this case) and/or you don't want to know some details. For example my wife never asked me about my previous love affairs, but she nows that I had women and I have some shit in my past. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
The_George
The_George
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 5:44 PM EST
"Haha, Cameron's sex-tape hidden in her central memory !"
Why is it that every thread Cameron is mentioned in gains a sexual comment on each page?

Can someone explain it? (without the use of sexual comments)
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Omegarium
Omegarium
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 5:48 PM EST
"Why is it that every thread Cameron is mentioned in gains a sexual comment on each page?

Can someone explain it? (without the use of sexual comments)"
There is sexual tension in every episode of the series. It's not my fault if Cameron got convinced she's a bitch-whore. Anyway, believe it or not, I was joking. As much as I love Cameron and Summer Glau, and - hell, I even wish her and John can have sex in the later seasons, I respect her and everyone's work, and I'm sure the writers would bring any romance in an intelligent way.
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wildbird5150
wildbird5150
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 5:48 PM EST
"Why is it that every thread Cameron is mentioned in gains a sexual comment on each page?

Can someone explain it? (without the use of sexual comments)"
Kids these days...
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Omegarium
Omegarium
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 5:50 PM EST
By the way, the show itself is not serious from time to time. The scene in Ep 2 when Cameron got smashed by that car was pure Tex Avery humour. :) Please remain calm. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
T-1976
T-1976
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 6:50 PM EST
"A few potential reasons: (1) The group is operating with time constraints and is in constant fear of being tracked down by pursuers. They don't want Cameron down any longer than necessary lest she suddenly be required for more anti-Terminator tasks; (2) The same reason John stroked the side of her head - he's beginning to appreciate her as a new, albeit different, form of life entitled to a modicum of respect. It would be rude to needlessly endanger her "brain" by messing around with it anymore than necessary or poke around in there without her consent (I think this theme is also alluded to in the household conflicts arising from invasions of personal space - i.e. Derek in people's bedrooms and Sarah invading Derek's shower time); (3) Her neural net processor is remarkably more sophisticated than the T-888's and could not be handled by the computer equipment in John's bedroom; (4) In all of the excitement, no one considered it; or (5) a combination of some of the aforementioned factors."
I agree with your thoughts. Another reason could be that John's computer wouldnt be able to handle her chip any better than Vicks. Remember that Vicks chip suddenly "came alive" and started to target him. He panicked and they pulled the plug and Cameron said "We must be careful with Vicks chip" I think John just wanted to be extra careful...he could unintentionally mess up Cameron...or worse yet, inadvertantly turn her evil. (NO evil Cameron!....GOOD Cameron!) :)
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halomanaic
halomanaic
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 6:59 PM EST
"I agree with your thoughts. Another reason could be that John's computer wouldnt be able to handle her chip any better than Vicks. Remember that Vicks chip suddenly "came alive" and started to target him. He panicked and they pulled the plug and Cameron said "We must be careful with Vicks chip" I think John just wanted to be extra careful...he could unintentionally mess up Cameron...or worse yet, inadvertantly turn her evil. (NO evil Cameron!....GOOD Cameron!) :)"
VIck's chip came alive because he game it 6.5 volts. Cameron said that chips needed atleast 6.2 volts to do everything which would include termavison
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Michelle67D
Michelle67D
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 8:05 PM EST
Simplest reason -- it would reveal too much too fast -- they'll save it for a later episode.

It probably won't be the last time we see John remove Cameron's chip.In fact the season opener might have John having to do just that.

I'm assuming she can fix herself like the T888 (I think her model's really different though) but she may allow John to help in order for him to learn the technical stuff he's going to need in the future afterall she's already been instructing him. He may have another chance then at the chip.
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wittyname

wittyname
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 8:11 PM EST
Another thing, even if she had tortured Dereck down in that basement, there would be no proof of it, or anything that happened before she was reprogrammed. Cameron says in one of the episodes that she doesn't know if she did something to him in the future because she had her "mind" scrubbed. Do you find this valuable?    
scud133
scud133
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 8:13 PM EST
"Another thing, even if she had tortured Dereck down in that basement, there would be no proof of it, or anything that happened before she was reprogrammed. Cameron says in one of the episodes that she doesn't know if she did something to him in the future because she had her "mind" scrubbed."
The fact that she "doesn't know" is pretty sketchy. Cameron has lied before...
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Omegarium
Omegarium
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 8:15 PM EST
"The fact that she "doesn't know" is pretty sketchy. Cameron has lied before..."
Yeah, and she was vague about Terminators "turning bad".
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ElldenStorm
ElldenStorm
RE: Why didn't John analyse Cameron's own chip ?
Mar 5 2008, 8:25 PM EST
You know guys, watch Dungeons and Dragons again and work out the timeline... Please? Everyone just assumes that it's Cameron in the basement with virtually no evidence to support said theory. The day after Derek is 'interogated' or whatever, they're released in the morning, and in quick order, from the looks of it, they've returned to the main resistence base where Cameron is within 24 hours of escaping. Look at the reactions of the people walking past her. Notice anything odd? Like they're not noticing her as if she's a new face on base (Which the resistence would probably be very wary of because of the possibility of terminator infiltration)? John's Lieutenant then later says they wouldn't have been able to accomplish what they had in some big skirmish at SkyNet's Temporal Facility (Which incidently took place while Derek was captured), without the reprogrammed Terminators. A statement which I have to say indicates to me that Cameron was involved in it. John's Lieutenant also quickly recognizes Cameron as one of their's. And that very night, with the run-away Terminator rampage, Cameron speaks as if, with long experience dealing with the others, that 'They' sometimes go bad. Not, sometimes 'We' go bad.

The timeline, just does not add up. If she had been captured by the Resistence afterward, maybe. But no, everything portrayed in Dungeons and Dragons indicates that Cameron had been with the resistence for weeks, if not months before Derek was captured. I'm not buying that it was 'Our' Cameron in that basement. Possibly another, but not the one that is sent back and appears to be personnally close to John in the future.
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