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Omegarium
Omegarium
7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 12:23 PM EST
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Over at Fox, the two-hour season-finale of Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles scored a respectable 7.98 million viewers (#4) and a 3.1/ 8 among adults 18-49 #2) from 8-10 p.m. While Sarah Connor is no 24, it is still worthy of a second season."

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/492105701
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Majarvis
Majarvis
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 1:27 PM EST
What do the "3.1/8" figures mean? 3.1 what out of 8? 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Thecolours
Thecolours
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 1:35 PM EST
When do you think we will get official word on the 2nd season? Do you find this valuable?    
CelticEsquire
CelticEsquire
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 1:48 PM EST
"What do the "3.1/8" figures mean? 3.1 what out of 8?"
It means that on average 3.1 percent of the households in the United States were tuned in at any given moment last night to the SCC. The second number means that, 8 percent of all televisions in use last night were also tuned into the show.
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sugaki

sugaki
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 1:50 PM EST
A lot of my friends don't watch the show, and never even gave the show a chance, in spite my evangelizing to them =)

I suspect when the first (short) season DVD gets released, it'll pick up more exposure and popularity. Heck, I thought the LOST show was stupid until I watched the whole first season on DVD, and have been watching every single show on TV since.
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Hutz
Hutz
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 1:55 PM EST
""
Over at Fox, the two-hour season-finale of Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles scored a respectable 7.98 million viewers (#4) and a 3.1/ 8 among adults 18-49 #2) from 8-10 p.m. While Sarah Connor is no 24, it is still worthy of a second season."

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/492105701"
Respectable? but weren't we saying that 8.5 mil was bad for an average episode? For a season final im not sure anyone can say 7.98 mil is respectable. The first episode got 18 mil and i was hoping that at least half of the original audience (along with some newbies) would push it up around the 9-10 mil. The fact is they are not returning and 7.98 may be OK for a ordinary episode but for a series final...
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MedicTheLifeLine

MedicTheLifeLine
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 2:21 PM EST
Too bad they do not know HOW many people in EACH household watches. There were 2 in mine Do you find this valuable?    
CelticEsquire
CelticEsquire
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 2:25 PM EST
I wish there were a way for us to compute the total viewing audience. The Nielson ratings cited in the first post does not include number of viewers who DVR or TIVO the show and watch at a later time. From what I've read so far the SCC has a ton of these type viewers. Do you find this valuable?    
T-8bit
T-8bit
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 2:37 PM EST
"I wish there were a way for us to compute the total viewing audience. The Nielson ratings cited in the first post does not include number of viewers who DVR or TIVO the show and watch at a later time. From what I've read so far the SCC has a ton of these type viewers. "
To paying advertisers, Tivo and DVR don't really matter as much because the option to fast forward commercials exists.
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outlander00

outlander00
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 2:37 PM EST
"Respectable? but weren't we saying that 8.5 mil was bad for an average episode? For a season final im not sure anyone can say 7.98 mil is respectable. The first episode got 18 mil and i was hoping that at least half of the original audience (along with some newbies) would push it up around the 9-10 mil. The fact is they are not returning and 7.98 may be OK for a ordinary episode but for a series final... "
According to the ratings (http://www.zap2it.com/tv/ratings/zap-ratings030308,0,680581.story), Fox took second place during the 8:00 pm hour with a 4.7/7 rating, and slipped to fourth place during the 9:00 hour with a 5.0/8 rating. All in all, I'm disappointed -- I had hoped the show would get ratings above 10m.

But here's my question. What kinds of ratings justify renewals for OTHER Fox programs? And, what role does production cost play (assuming, as the TSCC producers would have us believe, that TSCC has low production cost)? The first season of "24", for example, averaged 8.6 million viewers from November 6, 2001 to May 21, 2002 -- yet "24" got renewed several times. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_(TV_series)#US_television_ratings)
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sidspappy
sidspappy
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 2:39 PM EST
These numbers, while helpful, have no say in the final decision making at Fox. Since the show isn't breakout hit like 24, it remains to be seen if they will want to find a slot next season for TSCC. This is made painfully clear with the high ratings of their other reality-based shows, and the existence of many of their other established dramas. Fox may decide there's not enough room in the prime-time lineup for a show that gets 8 million viewers average.

Perhaps if they take DVR and online viewing of the show (which is reportedly high) into account, the show may survive. What is telling, though, is that if we are struggling to get even a second season produced, what's the prospects further down the line?

Oh, well. At least if they make a full 2nd season order, of about 22 episodes, we can potentially have about 30-hours of TSCC at the very least. But the ratings for next season would have to be high enough to keep it on air for the full 22. Yikes.

Fox has been known to make boneheaded decisions before, so keep your fingers crossed.
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outlander00

outlander00
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 2:41 PM EST
Sorry to follow up on my own post, but I thought I'd add that Firefly got significantly worse ratings despite what Variety reported was a "high per episode production cost." See http://www.storypundit.com/archives/000771.html (reporting episodes getting 2.4/4 ratings, 2.8/5, etc.) 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
CelticEsquire
CelticEsquire
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 3:27 PM EST
Some good news here! Over 8 million viewers for the final hour.

"Fox tied ABC for the first-place overall nightly demo average, with back-to-back episodes of "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" (7.7 million, 3.0/8 and 8.2 million, 3.3/8). The final hour jumped to post the show's best performance in three weeks."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i4a397617ec737750feb2eef59557c773
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Coven
Coven
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 3:54 PM EST
"Some good news here! Over 8 million viewers for the final hour.

"Fox tied ABC for the first-place overall nightly demo average, with back-to-back episodes of "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" (7.7 million, 3.0/8 and 8.2 million, 3.3/8). The final hour jumped to post the show's best performance in three weeks."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i4a397617ec737750feb2eef59557c773"
Well that's positive. =) Makes me feel somewhat better.
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Majarvis
Majarvis
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 5:03 PM EST
"Some good news here! Over 8 million viewers for the final hour.

"Fox tied ABC for the first-place overall nightly demo average, with back-to-back episodes of "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles" (7.7 million, 3.0/8 and 8.2 million, 3.3/8). The final hour jumped to post the show's best performance in three weeks."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i4a397617ec737750feb2eef59557c773"
Nice!

Out of curiosity, what would prevent Fox from moving T:SCC to one of their other networks, like FX? I don't get FX, so I don't know what kind of shows are on it, but if Fox didn't feel they had room on their main network, would they perhaps move it to FX?
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scud133
scud133
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 5:13 PM EST
If Firefly was anything like the movie Serenity, I understand why it was canceled (it sucked).

IMO, this show is way better than Serenity, so hopefully they can get it to stick around. I just don't get why the viewership isn't higher, it captures my attention the same way 24 did (not to mention how all Terminator movies are massive blockbuster successes). Where are all those people?

T:SCC has certainly helped my need for 24 this year, and I tuned in at first just to have something to do on Monday night.... but I was hooked after the first episode, enough to seek out a forum to talk about it....
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MedicTheLifeLine

MedicTheLifeLine
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 5:47 PM EST
The sad thing is here, they hardy promoted it at all!!!!!!!!!! We had no idea till MONDAY it was the season finale!
They pimped American Idol here every other comercial, so I can see why they had fewer viewers. That actually goes for all season now that I think about it. Everything was"American Idol ", "Upcoming on American Idol" or Cartoon night sunday night on FOX.
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creeperx7
creeperx7
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 4 2008, 6:52 PM EST
it is worrthy of a 2nd season 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Bearsrule18

Bearsrule18
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 23 2008, 11:13 PM EDT
"Out of curiosity, what would prevent Fox from moving T:SCC to one of their other networks, like FX? I don't get FX, so I don't know what kind of shows are on it, but if Fox didn't feel they had room on their main network, would they perhaps move it to FX?"
Im with you there, they could have room to put it on FX, most of the FX shows are movies and reruns of Fox shows such as That '70's show, im sure that they could find a 7-9 timeslot for it there
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Chopped_Liver
Chopped_Liver
RE: 7.98 million viewers for the final
Mar 24 2008, 12:19 AM EDT
""
Over at Fox, the two-hour season-finale of Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles scored a respectable 7.98 million viewers (#4) and a 3.1/ 8 among adults 18-49 #2) from 8-10 p.m. While Sarah Connor is no 24, it is still worthy of a second season."

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/492105701"
These numbers would have been much higher if there was a real finale, instead of the truncated season.
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