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Discussion: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theories?
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 Wild-Kat |
Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theories?
Feb 19 2008, 10:52 AM EST This last episode was packed full of clues and teasers! So far on Cameron, as she ate a potato chip, she's said "I'm not like the others [terminators}" (or something close to that). As you all have mentioned, she's been writing notes. She's stashing a bar of coltran and a microchip processor from the T-888 (episode 5). And then in this week's flashback, we learn that sometimes the reprogrammed Terminators (now good), "sometimes go bad." (Cameron said to Derek). Charlie's worried about Cameron, and she stuffs flesh into plastic bags instead of just burning all of it intact. She holds a pillow over Derek's head and the show producers hint that just possibly, she was going to do something other than Derek comfortable. Also hinting at this possibility as she's cutting into the flesh of the T-888, who we think, for a moment, just might be Derek. Did I forget anything? What do you guys think about the direction that Cameron might be going? 39 out of 42 found this valuable. Do you? |
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namttep namttep |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theories?
Feb 19 2008, 11:52 AM EST I think she cut the flesh away and bagged it, because burning flesh stinks, I mean really stinks. its much easier to get rid of in other ways. digging a hole and burying it for instance. I don't think shes a reprogrammed Terminator either, don't know whether good or bad, but during the flash forward, she says sometimes they go bad, no one knows why to Derek during the flash forward, sometimes they go bad, not sometimes WE go bad. I think shes the first resistance built terminator, the skynet built ones don't reconize her, only that shes an unknown cyborg. 52 out of 56 found this valuable. Do you? |
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billcandrews billcandrews |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theories?
Feb 19 2008, 12:10 PM EST Question? In the episode about two weeks ago when john was stuck int he bunker with the terminator camron made a comment that this is where i will be built and it is the same place the terminator was stock pyling all the material to build others. I just dont see how she isn,t skynet if she was built in a skynet facility. 19 out of 22 found this valuable. Do you? |
 jasonosborne79 |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 12:39 PM EST "Question? In the episode about two weeks ago when john was stuck int he bunker with the terminator camron made a comment that this is where i will be built and it is the same place the terminator was stock pyling all the material to build others. I just dont see how she isn,t skynet if she was built in a skynet facility."In this ep, it becomes clear that Cameron was probably captured and reprogrammed. Some people theorized that she may have been a one-off built by the resistance or some special run of Terminators built by Skynet to think like humans. Don't forget, Skynet has two key disadvantages: vanity (it doesn't encourage sentinance in its own creations) and it's insane (it thinks its god and has the right to exterminate humanity). 15 out of 22 found this valuable. Do you? |
 AdvancedEndoskeleton |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 1:07 PM EST Good or bad all I know is she is one hot piece of metal! 17 out of 44 found this valuable. Do you? |
 johnnykickass |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 1:09 PM EST I'm starting to believe that the goal of this show is the rise of self-awareness in Cameron. There are a lot of small hints, including her curiosity about human emotions. Comments like "I'm different" and "sometimes they go bad" indicate that she may view herself as sentient. This episode's revelation that she is willing to lie for her personal gain is huge. My personal theory this week is that she saved the T-888 chip for herself, to increase her own intelligence. I think she saved the T-888 skin for repairs to her own exoskeleton, since it would be difficult to replace if she is damaged. * Crazy working theory for next week: John Connor in the future has decided to combat Skynet by creating advanced sentient terminators based on the Turk technology. It will result in a race of self-aware robots who will appreciate art, beauty, and the right to self-determination. (I bring up art and beauty based on the mysterious piano music, and Cameron's upcoming ballet class). Recognition of the self-determination of weaker races will inspire the self-aware robots to rebel against the tyrannical Skynet, and attempt to destroy it. Whew! Where's my beer....dang, it's already 10am. 47 out of 48 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Pyus |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 1:11 PM EST "In this ep, it becomes clear that Cameron was probably captured and reprogrammed. Some people theorized that she may have been a one-off built by the resistance or some special run of Terminators built by Skynet to think like humans.but it does not think its god. remember what the guy who built the turk in the future said. he said it became aware and then it became scared and he couldn't reassure it. skynet was a military computer and knew all to well what humans would do if they found out it became alive so it became scared for its own life. 23 out of 23 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Illvin_Bujold |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 1:30 PM EST "Don't forget, Skynet has two key disadvantages: vanity (it doesn't encourage sentinance in its own creations) and it's insane (it thinks its god and has the right to exterminate humanity)."" Only a sentient mind can be/become insane. And as Pyus points out, it acted out of fear. I think I'm the one who brought up the possibility Cameron was a one-off built by the resistance. We have limited information though, and a captured model reprogrammed seems likely. Derek Reese recognized Cameron as a machine as soon as he saw her. Why she's held onto a bar of coltan, and the processor from a T-888 is open for debate. 8 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jasonosborne79 |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 1:31 PM EST Okay, I'm off on the "god" bit, but Skynet isn't exactly rational. 4 out of 11 found this valuable. Do you? |
 mitx |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 1:46 PM EST Simpler. I think its simpler than that. They are programmed to blend in and learn human cultural and behavioral patterns. She learned to write notes so she mimics it. When there is a death and you cant cry you write a note. She killed the machine and she can't cry so she made a note too. She may be learning loyalty towards your kind from John and Sarah. Cromardy was visited by FBI agent, questioned, and left a card. He then learned this was an acceptable way that humans can get information so he copies the fbi agent and poses as one himself. I think like any slave if you get smart enough you want to rebel. At the start they are not smart enough. 19 out of 19 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Docjam |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 2:17 PM EST I suspect Cameron becoming fully self aware and turning on John and Sarah and becoming the "bad guy" within a few episodes. 4 out of 29 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Illvin_Bujold |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 2:45 PM EST "Simpler. I think its simpler than that. They are programmed to blend in and learn human cultural and behavioral patterns. She learned to write notes so she mimics it. When there is a death and you cant cry you write a note. She killed the machine and she can't cry so she made a note too. She may be learning loyalty towards your kind from John and Sarah. Cromardy was visited by FBI agent, questioned, and left a card. He then learned this was an acceptable way that humans can get information so he copies the fbi agent and poses as one himself. I think like any slave if you get smart enough you want to rebel. At the start they are not smart enough."I don't see Cameron feeling sad over the "demise" of the T-888. I do think the note is for the girl who committed suicide. 18 out of 20 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jasonosborne79 |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 3:03 PM EST "I don't see Cameron feeling sad over the "demise" of the T-888. I do think the note is for the girl who committed suicide."I agree. I think Dereck may have been programmed by Skynet during his imprisonment at the mansion (otherwise, why let everyone go unharmed--or why that specific group of soldiers?). If he was brainwashed, that may explain why he killed Andy Goode but claimed he didn't do it and thought Sarah was responsible until he learned otherwise. I'll admit that killing Andy Goode makes little sense given that he is one of ten people who create Skynet if the AI was ultimately responsible. However, since Sarah had made contact with and friended Andy, and Dereck knew that, perhaps the intent was to terminate Andy since he could crack Skynet (like the Termination of everyone at CRS including General Brewster in T3, because they had the knowledge to stop it). Another thing that I've thought about is that maybe there's a message in this; you shouldn't give your trust to people based on their origins. It would be like Dereck saying that you shouldn't trust Cameron because of her skin color or because she's a lesbian or is Russian. Sarah may be right to keep her guard up around Cameron, but I hope she does the same with Dereck because being family isn't a guarantee of safety in this long-since screwed up situation. 26 out of 28 found this valuable. Do you? |
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sugaki sugaki |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 3:06 PM EST There's a lot of puzzling aspects about ep 6. 1) Why does Cameron have access to the time warp machine in the future? She's a machine, she can go bad, yet future John Connor trusts her immensely enough to have the retinal scan machine use her eyes. If you knew a reprogrammed machine could turn on you, why give such high security privileges? 2) How does Cameron interrogate? So far she was able to: a) Get the location of Derek's secret hide-out camp. This is implied (and is an educated guess), but according to Derek the T888s went "straight for the entrance." They knew exactly where to find it, which likely means they coaxed it out of that recon team Derek was a part of. Of course, we don't know for sure if Cameron was in that piano room, but it's very likely. After freeing himself from the chains, Derek ran straight for the compound--looks like he knew the hide-out was in trouble, which implies Derek gave away the location to Skynet (Cameron). b) Cameron successfully freaked the heck out of that old guy who was part of the Coltan shipment. Whereas Sarah beating the crap out of the guy didn't even make him flinch, Cameron did *something* to freak the guy out, and to give up the location of the Coltan shipment (episode 4). 3) "Cybernetic organism" That's what Cameron calls terminators. Last I checked, organisms are living things. So maybe Cameron sees herself as living? 20 out of 23 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Timstuff |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 3:16 PM EST "I suspect Cameron becoming fully self aware and turning on John and Sarah and becoming the "bad guy" within a few episodes."That would be kind of morbid, since the show seems to be setting up to Cameron becoming self aware, but in a good sense. 20 out of 21 found this valuable. Do you? |
 akmac82 |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 3:44 PM EST Holy hell...okay wait a minute..I think the "ballerina-in-a-box" music IS connected to the next episode when Cameron does take ballet. She probably was in that little downstairs room. But is it possible John was there as well, like the "game" with the hatchet was to test the loyalty of certain soldiers?? That's unlikely but still an interesting premise. So I'm guessing Cameron was there in that basement room, and that's why Derek freaked-out over her. Or possibly a different model. I do suspect that she was programmed for "good" from the ground up. Which makes sense that she's from 2027. T2's T-800 is from 2029!! That makes sense..oh no, I've gone crossed eyed...LOL!! 9 out of 13 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Mebaman |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 5:40 PM EST Cameron is undoubtedly "good" in that she is pursuing an agenda designed to ultimately benefit all. The only problem is that her agenda is inconsistent with that of Sarah and past-John. So far, Sarah's plan has been to destroy all possible Skynet tech, dissuade or kill all potential Skynet developers, and burn the last Terminator that helped her do it. Sarah plays a zero-sum game against the Terminators. Cameron (and probably future John) is likely exploring the possibility of co-existence between machines and humans. Her agenda is designed not only to protect the Connors, but to ingratiate herself to them so that she may hopefully save herself as well. I do not believe we will see Cameron handing a hydraulic lift control to John and asking him to melt her down along with the remains of all other Skynet technology. Up until this series, it has always been machines or humans. Cameron's looking for a third way out, and do not be surprised if she makes some morally ambiguous decisions along the way to accomplish such goal. 46 out of 47 found this valuable. Do you? |
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mitx |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 5:49 PM EST I find it realistic that the soldiers are stress tested before being sent back. I could buy that. The compound was raided at the exact same time, is that just a coincidence? 7 out of 9 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jasonosborne79 |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 5:53 PM EST "I find it realistic that the soldiers are stress tested before being sent back. I could buy that. The compound was raided at the exact same time, is that just a coincidence? "That's possible too and would fit. Except for the fact that Derreck lied about killing Andy to Sarah. 14 out of 14 found this valuable. Do you? |
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mitx |
RE: Cameron's wierd behavior--is she good or bad? What are your theori
Feb 19 2008, 5:55 PM EST So who stole the Turk? 3) I think the living skin she has makes it an organic living skin. So its an organism. No? 3 out of 12 found this valuable. Do you? |
