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SpaceTrucker
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An episode worth being impressed with
Feb 19 2008, 2:31 AM EST
I loved this episode better than the rest, it went into better detail explaining things, provided plenty of action, suspense, and even a little drama thrown in. Even how they attempted to use T-100's that were as close to looking like Shwarzenegger as possible, without him actually playing in it. What I liked even more was how they even put us in suspense over Cameron's character in this one, how she may not be as she seems and may not be there for the reasons she's claiming she's there for. It even gives us more to contemplate over the coltan and "brain" that she posses and is she actually burning those bodies as she's supposed to be doing? Could she have some of her underlaying code still there? Like a subconscious mind telling her what to do and over riding her function? Does Skynet build in a backup connection to it's robots that allows it to eventually regain control over them? They are known to have redundant systems, is this one of them? If and when will she turn on John and Sarah, what else isn't she telling them, does she not know? She didn't know that Derek was John's uncle, or was that something she just held back?

Oh, and just what were the machines doing with those airplane engines? So much content in such little time in this episode made for great watching tonight, I hope that the of the series is like this, it will at least keep me glued to it wanting... scratch that... needing more!
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Illvin_Bujold
Illvin_Bujold
RE: An episode worth being impressed with
Feb 19 2008, 6:29 AM EST
The jet engines were a little odd for their apparent use. Power source for the time displacement device. Odd, because there is nothing better available. Do you find this valuable?    
jasonosborne79
jasonosborne79
RE: An episode worth being impressed with
Feb 19 2008, 8:11 AM EST
"The jet engines were a little odd for their apparent use. Power source for the time displacement device. Odd, because there is nothing better available."
I thought they were jet engines too, that were being salvaged from 777s or A380s, until I saw that there were at least a dozen of them. Maybe they're generators or some essential part of the TDD that John salvaged from the complex?

Yeah, I'm a bit worried about Cameron too. Why keep the pieces? Is she lying or following John's orders? If she's not, maybe this is why she knows such intimate things about John's life; to give her reasons to see value in life and keep any Skynet code at bay.
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Silentnarcotic
Silentnarcotic
RE: An episode worth being impressed with
Feb 19 2008, 12:38 PM EST
Perhaps she is keeping them to build Arnold :D hahaha! Do you find this valuable?    
LionMage
LionMage
RE: An episode worth being impressed with
Feb 19 2008, 4:38 PM EST
"I loved this episode better than the rest, it went into better detail explaining things, provided plenty of action, suspense, and even a little drama thrown in. Even how they attempted to use T-100's that were as close to looking like Shwarzenegger as possible, without him actually playing in it. What I liked even more was how they even put us in suspense over Cameron's character in this one, how she may not be as she seems and may not be there for the reasons she's claiming she's there for. It even gives us more to contemplate over the coltan and "brain" that she posses and is she actually burning those bodies as she's supposed to be doing? Could she have some of her underlaying code still there? Like a subconscious mind telling her what to do and over riding her function? Does Skynet build in a backup connection to it's robots that allows it to eventually regain control over them? They are known to have redundant systems, is this one of them? If and when will she turn on John and Sarah, what else isn't she telling them, does she not know? She didn't know that Derek was John's uncle, or was that something she just held back?

Oh, and just what were the machines doing with those airplane engines? So much content in such little time in this episode made for great watching tonight, I hope that the of the series is like this, it will at least keep me glued to it wanting... scratch that... needing more!"
The jet engines are actually the most obvious thing, once we saw there was a set of them all running simultaneously, all surrounding a spherical time bubble/vortex/thingy. Modern jet engines have built in electrical generators in many designs, to provide electricity while in flight; even if a jet engine doesn't have a generator, one can certainly be attached to the central shaft. Either way, a jet engine can be used to generate a stupid amount of electrical power, especially if efficiency isn't necessary.

Considering that the time travel Skynet is doing is purely a desperation move, and always has been (Kyle Reese says as much in T1), it was probably expedient for Skynet to obtain a bunch of jet engines and use jet fuel, all to generate the stupendous amounts of energy necessary to bend space-time. A nuclear reactor probably would have been better, but given time constraints and the probable difficulty of obtaining nuclear fuel after a nuclear war, the more conventional, turbine-based power generation trick was warranted.

As for Cameron's apparent lying and scheming... that worries me a bit, as well. I wonder if her hanging on to the CPU of the T-888 she was supposed to destroy was her way of testing limits, or if she's got some kind of nefarious agenda as you suggest. We know John sent her back in time, and he reprogrammed her. We also know that she is loyal to John in the future, and whatever mission he tasked her with -- not to the John or Sarah of the present.

Testing limits? By that, I mean saying she'll do one thing (or being ordered to, by Sarah, to whom Cameron is not loyal), while secretly doing something else, to see if she gets caught, and what the consequences might be. Little kids and even some animals do this sort of thing. Since her personality is still developing, she might have the emotional maturity of a child... thus this behavior might make sense.

Clearly, we need more information!
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SpaceTrucker
SpaceTrucker
RE: An episode worth being impressed with
Feb 19 2008, 5:55 PM EST
"The jet engines are actually the most obvious thing, once we saw there was a set of them all running simultaneously, all surrounding a spherical time bubble/vortex/thingy. Modern jet engines have built in electrical generators in many designs, to provide electricity while in flight; even if a jet engine doesn't have a generator, one can certainly be attached to the central shaft. Either way, a jet engine can be used to generate a stupid amount of electrical power, especially if efficiency isn't necessary.

Considering that the time travel Skynet is doing is purely a desperation move, and always has been (Kyle Reese says as much in T1), it was probably expedient for Skynet to obtain a bunch of jet engines and use jet fuel, all to generate the stupendous amounts of energy necessary to bend space-time. A nuclear reactor probably would have been better, but given time constraints and the probable difficulty of obtaining nuclear fuel after a nuclear war, the more conventional, turbine-based power generation trick was warranted.

As for Cameron's apparent lying and scheming... that worries me a bit, as well. I wonder if her hanging on to the CPU of the T-888 she was supposed to destroy was her way of testing limits, or if she's got some kind of nefarious agenda as you suggest. We know John sent her back in time, and he reprogrammed her. We also know that she is loyal to John in the future, and whatever mission he tasked her with -- not to the John or Sarah of the present.

Testing limits? By that, I mean saying she'll do one thing (or being ordered to, by Sarah, to whom Cameron is not loyal), while secretly doing something else, to see if she gets caught, and what the consequences might be. Little kids and even some animals do this sort of thing. Since her personality is still developing, she might have the emotional maturity of a child... thus this behavior might make sense.

Clearly, we need more information!"
How do we know that John sent her back, when he asked if he was the one that sent her back, she never answered him and there's nothing in this episode that suggests that he sent her back, how do we know she didn't come back on her own, with some other agenda in "mind"? We also don't know who programmed her, in T-2 Arnold was supposedly reprogrammed and sent back by John, in T-3 it was John's wife that reprogrammed and sent Arnold back, in this when Sarah and John asked, Cameron only said that it wasn't Sarah, she didn't answer John when he asked her, she sidestepped the answer... much like politicians do.

Also, I don't see how those Machines nor Jet engines can do anything electrical since there was obviously major EMP's going off as the nukes did. Why don't anyone use an EMP weapon at these Terminators? I don't ever see where it's explained, that an EMP couldn't take them out. In T-3 John even mentions using one on Skynet, but that's as far as it goes. Skynet was protected by it's shielding, but the rest of these machines didn't have that protection, so how do they still work after an EMP blast?
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yourtallness

yourtallness
RE: An episode worth being impressed with
Feb 19 2008, 7:05 PM EST
OK, the jet engines as a power source does make sense, but why do the H-Ks carrying them hover so often over the house the resistance members were being held at?

Did they just happen to have routes passing over that house for all their turbine "shipments"?
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
RE: An episode worth being impressed with
Feb 20 2008, 2:39 AM EST
Could be that Cameron jumped to the past on her own. We don't see John at all in the future, so far, and just Cameron. Maybe he's out of commission and Cameron has jumped to the past to keep John safe all the way through. Do you find this valuable?    
Aaron_Smith
Aaron_Smith
RE: An episode worth being impressed with
Feb 20 2008, 2:49 AM EST
"How do we know that John sent her back?"
She recognized him in the school. If Skynet knew how to visually recognize John Connor, it would have long since given that information to its Terminator units.
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T-1000000
T-1000000
RE: An episode worth being impressed with
Feb 20 2008, 8:53 AM EST
"Could be that Cameron jumped to the past on her own. We don't see John at all in the future, so far, and just Cameron. Maybe he's out of commission and Cameron has jumped to the past to keep John safe all the way through. "
Would'nt John know if Cameron jumped on her own, cause he certainly seems to find out when Skynet sends out a Terminator to assassinate him or Sarah? He'd have to send someone back to track & shut Cameron down in fear of her assassinating him in the past. Just seems like whatever Cameron is up to comes from the direct instructions of future John. If I'm John I'm thinking I can't keep sending a machine back over & over to just protect Sarah & myself. I need to totally prevent the birth of skynet or even out the chess board when we judgment day comes.
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Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs
RE: An episode worth being impressed with
Feb 20 2008, 10:53 AM EST
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coffeenhvn247

coffeenhvn247
RE: An episode worth being impressed with
Feb 20 2008, 2:09 PM EST
1. Derek is going to be a bad guy. His capture was assisted by Hunter Killer flyers, and SkyNet let them go. The Resistance does not have access to air superiority. He was captured by SkyNet, and probably reprogrammed. It's a balance thing; the Resistance reprograms, Cameron, and SkyNet reprograms Derek. Derek was brainwashed. SkyNet was able to go around the patrol and straight for the base shortly after their capture; somehow, it was able to get into the minds of the captives.

2. Cameron saved John's life, and if Cramartie had killed him at the school, it'd be game over for the human resistance. She's not a bad guy. The series is going to have her achieve human-level emotions, and Cameron will become essentially human. She's a good guy. Cameron's keeping the coltan and the processor chip forshadows her imminent identity crisis.
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T-1000000
T-1000000
RE: An episode worth being impressed with
Feb 20 2008, 7:29 PM EST
"1. Derek is going to be a bad guy. His capture was assisted by Hunter Killer flyers, and SkyNet let them go. The Resistance does not have access to air superiority. He was captured by SkyNet, and probably reprogrammed. It's a balance thing; the Resistance reprograms, Cameron, and SkyNet reprograms Derek. Derek was brainwashed. SkyNet was able to go around the patrol and straight for the base shortly after their capture; somehow, it was able to get into the minds of the captives."
Exactly my take on it too. It explains how Skynet found the base & why they let Derek & the others go. Great idea if this is the direction they're taking.
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SpaceTrucker
SpaceTrucker
RE: An episode worth being impressed with
Feb 20 2008, 9:54 PM EST
After reviewing this several times during my exporting of it and creating the clip, I have my suspicions as well as to weither or not Derek is actually a skynet sympathizer or not. Something just doesn't seem right about him, then now something doesn't seem right about Cameron either too.

Though it never really made sense to me in T:3 that John had taken the time to take a wife, it is possible that before she sends T-100 Arnold back to help John in T:3, after he kills John, Cameron makes the jump on her own, to try and protect him from that happening and by getting there before Arnold and having them jump into the future, she theoretically achieves this to a point. (There's still nothing to say that he doesn't jump back at some point himself to try and change things again by not jumping, explaining his mother's not being there by saying that she died of cancer when she could have stayed in this time frame instead, and for some reason not making it.)

I think how Derek knew she was a machine was that he seen one in that basement, maybe the one she creates from the Coltan and the "Brain" that she's holding onto. After she interrogates them, she realizes that they are still needed to go back, so she lets them go. I'm still puzzled though as to why Derek lied outright to Sarah about killing the Turk's creator. I'm still not 100% convinced that Derek's going to be a bad guy here, that maybe something will happen to Cameron making her turn back to be bad instead, like her inserting that "brain" into herself to find out what's on it.

Now to find out what's on that video tape...
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SpaceTrucker
SpaceTrucker
RE: An episode worth being impressed with
Feb 23 2008, 4:14 AM EST
"She recognized him in the school. If Skynet knew how to visually recognize John Connor, it would have long since given that information to its Terminator units."
That doesn't mean anything, the Arnold unit in T:3 also recognized John, of course he had already killed him but John's girlfriend reprogrammed him and sent him back. With that being the case one can only assume that the only reason Arnold would still know is that John's wife left that information in there. In the series, there's nothing to suggest that John himself sent her back, nor that he programmed her, only that the Terminators in the complex had been reprogrammed. Also, if as suggested, Derek Reese is actually a "reprogrammed human", then it's possible that he put one and one together and come up with three, in that John is Kyle's son, especially after then end of this show, and somehow got word back to Skynet. At this point we don't know.
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KrelleK

KrelleK
RE: An episode worth being impressed with
May 14 2008, 1:48 PM EDT
"1. Derek is going to be a bad guy. His capture was assisted by Hunter Killer flyers, and SkyNet let them go. The Resistance does not have access to air superiority. He was captured by SkyNet, and probably reprogrammed. It's a balance thing; the Resistance reprograms, Cameron, and SkyNet reprograms Derek. Derek was brainwashed. SkyNet was able to go around the patrol and straight for the base shortly after their capture; somehow, it was able to get into the minds of the captives.

2. Cameron saved John's life, and if Cramartie had killed him at the school, it'd be game over for the human resistance. She's not a bad guy. The series is going to have her achieve human-level emotions, and Cameron will become essentially human. She's a good guy. Cameron's keeping the coltan and the processor chip forshadows her imminent identity crisis."
"She's(Cameron) a good guy." Should that not be a good Girl, LOL

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