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Discussion: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
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Allumino |
Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Feb 16 2008, 7:21 AM EST T-1000: Can flatten itself into a floor Can pass through small openings Can form blades and stabbing weapons Can make his front his back and vice versa Uses a cop as its default form Can regenerate lost bodyparts T-X: Can use advance weaponry such as plasma canons Can take shotgun hits without geting stunned Is triple jointed Can control other machines 7 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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yourtallness yourtallness |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Feb 16 2008, 12:48 PM EST "T-1000:I don't think they can come up with anything more advanced than a T-1000. Every time, the marketing department promoting the next Terminator project, be that T3 or SCC, tries to present the new villain as the most advanced Terminator yet, but I believe T-X was a significant step back from the T-1000. They couldn't reuse the T-1000 so they had to innovate by creating the semi endoskeleton semi liquid metal T-X with an integrated flamethrower/plasma cannor/saw/whatever and the ability to control other electronics. The manipulation of cars struck me as especially unrealistic, 'cos there's no way you can remote control the steering mechanics of a police squad car, it's not an electronic system, and even if it was, there's little chance it would be equipped with a radio receiver for remote control. Very sloppy from the T3 team. Actually, this is one of the reasons why T-X is probably the worst Terminator in the saga for me. I only liked its/her ruthlessness in the beginning of the movie where it/she was very quick to open fire on the targeted resistance members. But let's face it, they came up with T-X more out of necessity than true creativity. Not that the T-1000 is any more credible (does it have a liquid processor as well?), but the liquid metal concept was a killer idea, and its hard to match. The only way to attempt to improve on it would be in a difference direction: advanced AI, giving the next Terminator the ability to be more sentient than any other, which is what I suppose they're trying to do with Cameron. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Termin8er800 Termin8er800 |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Feb 26 2008, 10:30 PM EST Well, the T-1000 should be infinitely joined, since it's completely flexible, which beats the hell out of the T-X's flexibility. I agree with the statement above that the T-X was created out of necessity. Plus, the T-1000 is invulnerable to both machine presses AND explosives, which account for the destruction of Skynet's T800 and T-X. In conclusion, I side with the T-1000. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Suicidesamuraiz Suicidesamuraiz |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Feb 26 2008, 11:01 PM EST If you read the novelization of T2, there are various detailed mentoins of the T-1000's strengths and weaknesses. As for it's processor, the entire structure is a thinking machine, and has a range of contact up to 6 or so miles if it is seperated. It can reform if it has at least 50% of it's structure left. In the book, it is revealed that Skynet didn't even want to use the T-1000, as it was alien even to Skynet, and operated unlike any other machine. As for damage, bullets and explosions do slowly break down the machine, though it can take a hell of a lot a of abuse compared to other models. I would say that the TX has only one advantage over the other Terminator models, and that is intigrated weaponry. I was always curuous why Skynet didn't just send guns covered in flesh back with the first T-800. While I love this franchise, and the new series, I really wish that the writers of T-3 would have sat back and thought a little bit about what they were doing. It poses a few of problems for the new writers. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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SilentHer0 |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Feb 26 2008, 11:05 PM EST T-X all the way, Projectile Weapons owns the liquid metal composition, flamethrower him into oblivion, seriously, fire is his weakness. That's how the T-1000 died in T-2. 0 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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LaLongeCarabine |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Feb 26 2008, 11:06 PM EST I always thought that the T-1000 was kinda a cheat. Where's the power supply and where's the CPU? Neither one of these things can morph or change. CPU's can't change shape mid-process and not have the computer crash. I bet the right metal in a shaped charge would vaporise a T-1000 to stinky hot mist. Rigid endo-skeleton makes more sense to me. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Frostbyte252 Frostbyte252 |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Feb 26 2008, 11:30 PM EST T-1000 for me. The only thing that can kill him is extream heat. and they can fix that. As for the "Liquid prosessor" every molucule (spelling) is a tiny computer or w/e that mates the T-1000 work. ...hes so badass. Ihated the tx 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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AdvancedEndoskeleton |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Feb 27 2008, 12:17 AM EST T-1000 for me as well! Robert Patrick played that part to perfection. As far as the cpu of the T-1000 all I can say is who the hell knows what's capable of being created in 2045(not sure about the date) especiallly by the super computer that is Skynet! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Kanten Kanten |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Feb 27 2008, 2:18 AM EST "T-X all the way, Projectile Weapons owns the liquid metal composition, flamethrower him into oblivion, seriously, fire is his weakness. That's how the T-1000 died in T-2."Honestly, there's quite a huge temperature difference between open flame and molten steel. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Suicidesamuraiz Suicidesamuraiz |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Feb 28 2008, 12:39 AM EST "Where's the power supply and where's the CPU?I'll try to find the text this weekend, but it explains that the entire molecular system of the T-1000 was it's CPU and power-supply, and as for shaped charges, there in a very long range between peices until they can no longer re-connect to form a working machine. If you guys get a chance, try to find the T2 novelization by Randall Frakes.It adds and explains a lot of the fil, especially regarding the deleted scenes, such as the T800's last thoughts about wsouls, mortality, and why he cannot cry. As for the T-1000 only taking damage by fire, all damage taken effects his total structure. If you watch the film carefully, he loses control of his metamorphing powers, and begins to stick to things he touches. Not only that, but to your comment about the CPU crashing durrign a change, the T-1000 often pauses durring gun-shots (and also plots trajectory to attempt to catch the bullets i na funnel as to lessen the damage it does take) and durring a change of forms. This would be a "reset," in a way, and while it is short, it is a long tome for a CPU designed in 2029. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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LuigiHann |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Feb 28 2008, 12:25 PM EST I think the T-1000 is "better" in a lot of ways, mostly because the endoskeleton of the T-X seems like more of a hindrance. I think it makes a lot of sense, though, since the T-1000 is described as a "prototype," whereas the T-X is described as a "more advanced model." I'd guess that the T-1000 is one-of-a-kind, and was lost when they sent it back in time, whereas the T-X was designed for mass-production. From a "villain" perspective, I did find the T-X to be a pretty disappointing step down from the T-1000. The T-1000 seemed to be designed to have none of the weaknesses of the Terminator from the first film (it isn't damaged by fire, and it can't be torn or crushed). The T-X, on the other hand, seems to combine the weaknesses of the first two terminators, so even though it has a few new tricks, there's not as much suspense about how the heroes can destroy it. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Allumino |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Mar 13 2008, 6:05 AM EDT As for me, I still think the T-1000 is better, whether the T-X is a more advance model or not. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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AWAR |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Mar 13 2008, 11:15 AM EDT The T-1000 was superior to the T-X for several reasons but that's not to say it dose not have it's weakness's. Every Cell or Nanobot that made up the T-1000 was a self-repairing, self-replicating microcomputer which means as long as even a few micro-bot/nanobots exists that it could rebuild itself over a certain period of time. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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AWAR |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Mar 13 2008, 11:27 AM EDT "I always thought that the T-1000 was kinda a cheat.The Nanobots that make the T-1000 are small robotic cells that contain their own Micro-computers as well as their own power supply. What this means the more cells there are the more intelligent and powerful it will become and vise versa the less cells it has the weaker and dumber it will become. So you see they do infact contain CPU's and Power supplys in every Cell/Microbot/Nanobot! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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TheCinC TheCinC |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Mar 13 2008, 11:40 AM EDT I think it depends on the mission. For infiltration/surveillance, NOTHING could beat the T-1000. It could get into your house without anyone noticing it and then it would -be- your house and you could end up getting stabbed by the -floor- for crying out loud! As for termating, the T-X is a superior adversary. No, it may not be as adaptive and versatile as the T-1000, but it doesn't have the T-1000's main drawback, that it would either need to get its hand on a weapon or get up close to kill someone. The T-X has built in weapons that can be used from some distance. Remember, the T-1000 was forever running after them, sometimes very close, but almost never in a position to effectively use its main weapon: itself! Stabbing blindly at something you can't see (in the lift scene) is not effective, it only ended up scratching Sarah Connor. The T-X on the other hand, could have taken them out at such a close range. The T-X at least got her hands on John and would still have taken him out if the T800/101 had not intervened! A T-X with a good, long range projectile weapon would have been a huge threat. Also, the T-1000 seemed to be much more affected by gunshots and even metal stabbing weapons than the T-1000. Constantly having to adjust its appearance seemed to slow it down, if only a little. The T-X also was capable of fulfilling at least part of her mission, taking out several key Resistance fighters. It even took out General Brewster, right under the nose of the T800/101! I think the main difference between more advanced Terminators like Cromarty, in ep1, and the T-X is their capability to carry weapons with them. Neither the T800/101 nor the T-1000 had any weapons with them. Without weapons lying around everywhere (it is the United States after all) they would have been much less useful. Being able to take your own weapons with you, especially advanced weapons from the future, is a HUGE advantage. I wonder why Cameron doesn't have one! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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AWAR |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Mar 13 2008, 12:29 PM EDT "I think it depends on the mission. For infiltration/surveillance, NOTHING could beat the T-1000. It could get into your house without anyone noticing it and then it would -be- your house and you could end up getting stabbed by the -floor- for crying out loud!The T-1000 could just as easily carry weapons in it's interior if it needed. The T-1000 might prefer close range combat but can just as easily use a sniper-rifle or a bomb to attack it's target if it needs too! TheT-1000 can sense everything going on around it as every cell is essenatly it's eyes and ears meaning it has a greater range of awareness than the TX dose, which means in the lift scene it was stabbing at where they where a moment ago. As far as I am aware John Connor was it's only target as he was living on the grid at that time and if john died there would be no need to kill other targets. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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VodkaPowered |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Mar 13 2008, 1:49 PM EDT as far as pure killing goes, T-X all the way. T-1000 is good but some circumstances it will just be useless. remember the particle accelerator? only a T-X could have survived & escaped that. T-1000 would not be able to retain its solid forms & as for the 800s models, they would be stuck on the accelerator unable to move. you could just pop its chip out also, shot gun could slow the T-1000 down, can't do that with T-X 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Timstuff |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Mar 13 2008, 2:50 PM EDT It's kind of a tossup. The T-X's ability to take control over other machines is probably one of the most significant advances in Skynet's technology. Their ability to change their appearance is very similar, however the T-1000 has the serious edge there since he has no endoskeleton to hamper him. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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wildbird5150 |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Mar 13 2008, 4:37 PM EDT T-1000. Far more dangerous! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Coven |
RE: Who is better, T-1000 or T-X?
Mar 13 2008, 4:45 PM EDT "as far as pure killing goes, T-X all the way. T-1000 is good but some circumstances it will just be useless. remember the particle accelerator? only a T-X could have survived & escaped that. T-1000 would not be able to retain its solid forms & as for the 800s models, they would be stuck on the accelerator unable to move. you could just pop its chip outYah, I agree this. While T-1000 was very effective, it had a few very major drawbacks. The T-X had some very powerful built in weapons, and it;s ability to control things made it extremely deadly. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |