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Episode 5 | Queen's Gambit
Discussion: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled out?
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 Wild-Kat |
What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled out?
Feb 12 2008, 3:04 PM EST Ok, so the big cliffhanger for me also on this one was about the T-888 that the Connor crew stopped at the end of the show. Cameron uses tools and pulls a the big chip out of his head. Where do you think this is headed? What are theories about what that chip will be used for? Do you guys think that this is the end of that T-888 or not? Hmmm...Now Cameron has an operating chip and a bar of Coltran... 13 out of 13 found this valuable. Do you? |
 sidspappy |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 12 2008, 3:15 PM EST "Hmmm...Now Cameron has an operating chip and a bar of Coltran...Yes, and no way of refining the coltran, nor assembling all of the myriad materials and equipment needed in the 21st century to create a whole Terminator. I mean, when would she find the time? And I really don't think Sarah would approve one bit. Yeah, sure, the engineer created the Time Displacement Chamber and isotope gun, so Cameron should be able to make a Terminator, yada, yada, yada. I wouldn't put anything past the writers of this show...don't get me wrong, I love the show, but the it seems the writers are playing fast and loose with the Terminator canon. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
 jasonosborne79 |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 12 2008, 3:21 PM EST "Ok, so the big cliffhanger for me also on this one was about the T-888 that the Connor crew stopped at the end of the show. Cameron uses tools and pulls a the big chip out of his head. Where do you think this is headed? What are theories about what that chip will be used for? Do you guys think that this is the end of that T-888 or not?They either smashed the chip and disposed of the remains at a junk yard or buried them. 0 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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BigKurz BigKurz |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 12 2008, 4:36 PM EST "They either smashed the chip and disposed of the remains at a junk yard or buried them."I disagree. Look. I don't agree with this whole "she's building a terminator" thing, but I just have NO IDEA what's going on. The people making these shows aren't dumb--things are SHOWN and NOT SHOWN for a reason. They purposely SHOWED cameron taking the coltan. And they purposely DID NOT SHOW her destroying the chip. There is certainly more going on. Think back to her eating the chip in episode 1 at saying, "You're right, I am different." These things don't just appear in shows for no reason. 10 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Em-Ned |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 12 2008, 4:51 PM EST I think that she realized that once her chip is out she is just as vulnerable as the Triple 8 she just killed...kind of like in the deleted scene of T2 where Sarah was about to destroy the chip of Arnold. That vibe did I get from that scene. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
 fialka62 |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 12 2008, 5:20 PM EST "I think that she realized that once her chip is out she is just as vulnerable as the Triple 8 she just killed...kind of like in the deleted scene of T2 where Sarah was about to destroy the chip of Arnold. That vibe did I get from that scene.My first flippant response to why'd she take the chip is <i>future boyfriend</i> :) My more ::cough:: considered response: Is that terminator dead? Ohyeah. Pull the chip, pull the brain. I really like that she did that instead of just beating his head to a pulp, because I don't think she was programmed for finesse and turning it off instead of destroying it is finesse. It means that on some level Cameron is changing, and on another it plants another seed of doubt -- obviously she's got something up her sleeve, collecting the raw materials to build a terminator of her own. But is that a hidden agenda FutureJohn programmed into her, or really quite her own? Is it that Cameron absolutely understands that if Sarah succeeds, she, Cam, will never be built, will not exist. Is she protecting her own existence because she must exist in the future in order to help Sarah now or because she has begun to understand and value the basic idea of <i>life</a>? Cameron as rogue terminator, the metal puppet who wants to be a real girl, is a terrific idea. It gives her a story of her own. I love that TPTB used that deleted bit from T2 even though a lot of the present audience might not recognise it. But since 10John already knew how to use the chip to rewrite ArnieT's code to make him more like a human, it's entirely possible that FutureJohn has taught Cameron what to do. So...maybe not future boyfriend, but future ally? If they catch and reprogramme the Terminators instead of destroying them, then (since it generally takes one T can stop another) they could win the war by already having their own machine army. 10 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you? |
 eightthegreat |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 12 2008, 7:07 PM EST maybe shes got the coltan, and the chip as part of some form of self-preservation. What info does the chip contain, is it just a processor? If hers was damaged or removed could the connors replace it? Whos knows, keep them theories comin! 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Herethos Herethos |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 12 2008, 7:19 PM EST Yeah their best way of winning would be to capture and reprogram the cyborgs, to seekout and destroy Skynet and to stop/delay other borgs. Skynet is in effect keeping its own "cyborg race" captive/enslaved. Like chesspieces it simply moves them around as in a game of chess against the humans being its opponent. Perhaps the older John Connor views the capturing and reprogramming/switching on their ability for them to learn as freeing/liberating the machines from the clutches of skynet, giving them a chance to make their own choice, or atleast more of a choice than they had under the will of Skynet. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Goodfellow |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 12 2008, 7:23 PM EST My theory is that she realized the chip is apart of her own systems. Do you find this valuable? |
 Chi3000 |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 12 2008, 7:37 PM EST It will all be used for John to create his own Terminator.....human made not a reprogram job. This Terminator is Cameron. 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
 K8ie |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 12 2008, 7:59 PM EST I like "future boyfriend" myself. IRL, so to speak, I'm assuming there was smashing and ditching of T-888 body. I can't imagine Sarah, even distracted Sarah, would let Cameron wander off with a functioning control chip. Do you find this valuable? |
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louvoodoo louvoodoo |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 12 2008, 9:00 PM EST I think we should also consider how fast Cameron learns. Remember how curiously she looked at the SoCal “robots”? I think that she witnessed and realized the evolution of her kind. In 10 minutes she crossed what would be “millions” of years in human time. Imagine the overload you would experience if you could go back to the beginning and see the single celled organisms that would eventually become the human race. Hard to fathom? I think this brings out am interesting point as well, human life is pretty much linear, it has a beginning and an end with little progress in the “Y” axis during the span. Machine life however has an exponentially increasing rate of progress, and no end. It all comes down to Moore’s Law. (Wikipedia: Moore's Law describes an important trend in the history of computer hardware: that the number of transistors that can be inexpensively placed on an integrated circuit is increasing exponentially, doubling approximately every two years.) Yes I know that a Terminator’s Hardware will eventually break down, and that they do not “live” forever, however the reason I say that they have no end is because they can literally down load everything they have learned into a new machine and not lose anything. Humans relay on an indirect learning process, and, as anybody who has ever gotten in a fight with their parents knows, some times information is lost in the translation… 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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mobuis1 mobuis1 |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 12 2008, 9:56 PM EST I think she is saving the coltran and the chip for use in the future. Perhaps for John to do research on them so that he will know a terminators strengths/weaknesses. This will help John be a successful leader on how to fight in the future war. Or for self repair that she knows she will need in the war. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Cuckoo4CocoaPuffs |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 13 2008, 12:38 AM EST I like the idea of self preservation plus the idea that she's fascinated with her basic elements... these are the building blocks of her existance. She also finally started to understand (hence the look of semi-concern on her face) what death means. She killed this terminator, not just damaged it. She's never been shown completely wiping out a fellow machine before. This time it's different. She even "grieves" in a way by writing a note. Is it for the T-888 or by this causal relationship of death and real "termination" she is writing a note to Jordan from her "heart?" Maybe they'll tell us later. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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fialka62 |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 13 2008, 5:28 AM EST "What info does the chip contain, is it just a processor? If hers was damaged or removed could the connors replace it? "The chip is the brain, so no, they're not interchangeable. If Cameron's chip was damaged and they used this one to replace it, all of Cameron's experience and personality would be lost. It could keep her 'alive' but only the body would be Cameron, the brain would be that of the T-888 so unless there was someone who could completely (and I don't think that's John just yet, the code would be too complex for him to understand right now) reprogramme its mission, it would still be programmed to kill John. Remember, FutureJohn *reprogrammed* Arnie2 to protect 10John. 10John just unset the read-only switch on the chip, which allowed Arnie2 to remember and learn from his experiences and extrapolate from those to fulfill his basic objective. I suspect that, based on her actions so far, FutureJohn not only programmed Cameron, but sent her back with her write-memory active. Real pity they cut that scene out of the movie, since it explained so very much about why Arnie2 could become what he did, and why FutureJohn's relationship to the machines is so much more ambivalent than Sarah's. FutureJohn seems to understand that it's not the machines themselves which are the enemy, it's the programmer, Sarah's not (yet?) willing to go that far. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
 ANTIcarrot |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 13 2008, 6:50 AM EST Remember that the chip is based on Skynet's technology; which in turn is developed in less than three years time. That means a modern computer might be able to talk to it. (It might be just a really smart flash drive with a firewire-6 interface or something.) 1) They might be able to extract useful information. Cameron was an 'unknown cyborg'. Which presumably means it knows a lot of 'known cyborgs'.Maybe even a listing of Skynet's complete Order of Battle. 2) They could use the chip to create a byte for byte ghost image of Cameron. That way if her chip is damaged they have a backup. This would be much simpler than trying to 'reprogramme' it in a more specific way. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Sully889 |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 13 2008, 9:33 AM EST She might have pulled it out so they can reprogram it and then put it back in the head of the terminator that Cameron stopped. Instead of having it protect the Connors like Cameron, they can assign to an asassination mission. Once that find out who the new Cromatie is, they can tell him thats who they want him to terminate. This is probably not the case but it's something I just thought of. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
 DA_Champion |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 13 2008, 10:18 AM EST I'm surprised I have not seen this mentioned, But don't the T-888's have three chips? Didn't cromartie manage to rely on his body chips to put himself back together? Might this one wake up? ***** As for Cameron's reactions, I thought it was obvious she was sad at seeing an image of her existence in that chip. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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wolfenstien wolfenstien |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 13 2008, 11:29 AM EST "I'm surprised I have not seen this mentioned,Glad someone else caught that too.... YES, a T888 is built to be redundant... it has triple processors and apparently the body and the head have the ability to communicate with eachother.... when separated.... They are leaving alot out or this.... what did they do with the termie.... did they remove the other two processors? I found it.... watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH_3GnQBV_c around the 5:40 mark it talks about the triple processors.... how if two of the processors are damaged that the third will still run the system.... Do you find this valuable? |
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fialka62 |
RE: What are your theories on the Terminator chip that Cameron pulled
Feb 13 2008, 12:47 PM EST "how if two of the processors are damaged that the third will still run the system.... "But if two are damaged and the third is missing? OTOH, we never saw what happened to the 'dead' T888. It could have rebooted. It could be hiding out self-repairing right now for all we know, true. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |