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T69691 T69691 |
John and Cameron Love Subplot details
Jan 22 2008, 6:19 PM EST The older John, knowing that the younger John (himself) would be rebellious, not wanting to follow his mom's orders, would need to somehow reign him in. While the younger John would be somewhat loyal, though not completely loyal, to his own mother, the younger John would be 100% loyal to a drop dead gorgeous hottie that he absolutely lusts after. Guys, think back to when you were in high school and that girl that you wanted, but just could not get the guts to ask out on a date. Do you think Cameron just might be that perfect "10" that the older John wishes he had when he was 16? Oh yes, don't you doubt it for a second. And of course the older John would have Cameron programmed to fulfill all of his desires. This is the path the producers were hoping the male audience would imagine which explains why they used such a universally attractive chick in the starring role and why they interject scenes that suggest John is attracted to Cameron. For example, last night's episode (3) showed Cameron walking through the house in lingerie and John watching her. I'd imagine an unrated dvd version of this episode showing John immediately heading for the bathroom with a box of tissue, but I guess we'll never see that scene. Nor will we see the scene of John finally figuring out how to give Cameron orders (bend over, spread them, etc). 16 out of 24 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Silentnarcotic |
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Jan 22 2008, 11:30 PM EST LOL I'm sure that's what the actors signed on for. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
 T-69 |
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Jan 23 2008, 1:17 AM EST You sir, get the funniest thread award! 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
 thewinston |
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Jan 23 2008, 1:28 AM EST these other people think you're kidding. but i'm not so sure. anyways. i think a component of your theory is correct. the part where you say older John wants/wanted that terminator. First, I think that Cameron and John had, at the very least, an emotional relationship in the future 2029 or whenever it is because she knows too much about him - more than would have been programmed. And second, I think you are wrong in that John sent her back in time - I think John died - just like he did in the T3 plot (sorry if you didnt know that, but its not that big of an issue for the T3 plot), and Cameron went back in time so she could still be with him. more on that here: http://www.saltystix.com/TV/ImBack/tabid/317/Default.aspx tell me what you think. 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
 HF08 |
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Jan 23 2008, 1:31 AM EST "these other people think you're kidding. but i'm not so sure.To Winston, I think it would stink if he died like he did in T3. I would at least like to think the resistant leader wins and lives. Anyway, no one said John reprogrammed her. I would think it was interesting if she "reprogrammed" herself. Physics aside. Interesting plot. Geeky 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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thewinston |
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Jan 23 2008, 2:58 PM EST perhaps i was unclear. i went back and read my post - but i didnt mean to say that john reprogrammed her. in fact i think i was more along the lines of what you just said - that she reprogrammed herself and went back for john. and i want a happy ending too but i mean...he would be fortyish in some sort of 2029 world, and that's not really a "cool protagonist" so they would need another one anyways. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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rumagin rumagin |
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Feb 20 2008, 1:56 PM EST "And second, I think you are wrong in that John sent her back in time - I think John died - just like he did in the T3 plot (sorry if you didnt know that, but its not that big of an issue for the T3 plot), and Cameron went back in time so she could still be with him.are you sure about John dying in T3? i thought he was safe locked in the bunker, talking over the radio Do you find this valuable? |
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Neilis Neilis |
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Feb 20 2008, 3:56 PM EST "are you sure about John dying in T3? i thought he was safe locked in the bunker, talking over the radio"Young John didn't die - old John did. The T-850 sent back to protect him there killed John in the future by using John's like for that model (because it protected him as a child) to get close to him before killing him. After that the Arnold Terminator was subdued, reprogrammed, and then sent back to protect John in T3's current day timeline. There is the little thing though: as John and the T-850 were last parting ways he says to him and a very indicative tone: "We'll meet again.". Basically, that's a warning that the next time you see me, though I'm gonna be acting all nice, my mission will be to kill you. Watch out for me. John may therefore be able to avert that future now. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Docjam |
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Feb 20 2008, 4:37 PM EST ... Except that the franchise has been retconned and T3 is now an alternate timeline. A timeline where Cromartie and Cameron don't find John, a Timeline when somehow Sarah's development of Leukimia happens earlier and progresses to her death a year before this series starts (in T3 she dies in 1998, in TSCC she is healthy in 1999 (after being checked by a doctor in 2007, it's still her 1999 body though)) In that timeline basically Sarah dies of Leukimia, John goes off the grid, until the T-X and T-850 find him, and Judgement day happens in 2004 He also marries Katie Brewster. In THIS timeline, Sarah's Leukimia doesn't develop until around 2005 and she dies. Sarah not dying in 1998 means they still live a semi-normal life just under cover, John is found by Cromartie and Cameron, they SKIP OVER the 2004 Judgement day (that happened in the other timeline) and Judgement day happens in 2011. Katie Brewster, and John's death in 2032 to a model 101 T-850 are not mentioned. Do you find this valuable? |
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Docjam |
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Feb 20 2008, 4:44 PM EST Oh yeah, and back to topic.. There's hints here and there that John is attracted to Cameron, when they first meet she flirts with him and he seems taken (in fact I wonder about that, she seems more naturally human but in later episodes she acts well.. like a scary robot). He also stares at her when she walks around in bra and panties. He also gives her a diamond. However it's not complete as John is obviously attracted to his blonde chemistry partner (the "damaged goods" "lock and key") and has stopped paying as much attention to Cameron as anything but a useful tool. Still, I don't blame fans for wanting them to end up that way (if physically possible.. I'm not quite sure doing THAT with a combat chassis would be all that comfortable.. and don't let her get on top), I'm sure Summer is all of our "Science-Fiction Fantasy" .. note no / between. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
 IntrepidVillain |
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May 15 2008, 11:12 AM EDT Hello peoples. I'm new here. Interesting discussion on some of these threads. With regards to this one . . . Aren't you forgetting something here? :) Cameron is a terminator. A terminator is an infiltration unit. Don't you think John would be a little . . . intimidated by her being an infiltration unit? I think he'd feel that way especially after what she told him in Episode 8, Vick's Chip. Cameron: She will not be the first human fooled by a machine. John Connor (about Cromartie): The only way I’m reassured by that is if I remember that in the core of your chip, you are just like him. True, she's cute and he adores her because of her face, admires her for the body Skynet gave her. But when you know she's an infiltrator and what she can be used for, who she might serve, I think you be both repulsed and turned off. It is not to say he won't still have erotic fantasies about her, but I think he'd be more strongly repelled by her being an infiltrator. Who would want to get personal, emotionally or physically with an infiltrator? You never know what an infiltrator might do with your own experiences, emotions and the sensations. What you share is information for her. She's not some sexbot made for your pleasure. She was made for war. It was made to fight, to damage physically and emotionally, to manipulate, terrify and intimidate. She's a war machine, she's an intelligence (as in espionage) agent. It can lie and deceive, as well as amuse and entertain for the short-term, but ultimately it was made to humiliate,.frighten and kill humans. For John to make love with her, he'd be making love with a she-devil, a demon. A terrifying monster with the powers of deception and persuasion up her sleeve. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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May 15 2008, 11:17 AM EDT you got nice reflection about LOVE,it may happen but not this way ! we see , i hope me to something happen ! 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Omegarium |
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May 15 2008, 12:26 PM EDT James Bond has already had sex with some of his own female enemies. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Omegarium |
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May 15 2008, 12:27 PM EDT "For John to make love with her, he'd be making love with a she-devil, a demon. A terrifying monster with the powers of deception and persuasion up her sleeve.Isn't that what all women are anyway ? 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Omegarium |
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May 15 2008, 2:45 PM EDT This board will be rated PG-13 when Terminator 4 comes out :D Do you find this valuable? |
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IntrepidVillain |
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May 15 2008, 3:47 PM EDT [quote]Isn't that what all women are anyway ?[/quote] Yeah but this one can't actually love you. It's all cold logic. More importantly, it wasn't made for romance. It can act romantically and flirt, but it was made for war and espionage, not romance. [quote]wouldn't expect you to buy her a washing machine after she had pleasured you[/quote] Well, she doesn't have emotional needs like we do. That kind of makes it worse for me. A person who doesn't have vulnerabilities. If she could abuse and intimidate you, she'd do it. They don't have to worry about being moral, ethical or politically correct, or to question how their friends might respond. She isn't afraid of gossip, slander and alienation from the rest of the world or community. The worst thing is what she does with the information she gains. Who knows what she might be doing with the information? If you were having a romance with her, would you really want it to be used for strategic and tactical purposes (ie. to fulfill some mission objective, to fight a war, betray someone, working for the FBI or some foreign government), other than romance or personal pleasure? [quote]I can't believe you guys are actually talking like this on the board, most especially when there could be many age groups that pop in from time to time. It's taking the discourse IMHO to new lows. [/quote] You weren't referring to me were you? :) Do you find this valuable? |
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Omegarium |
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May 15 2008, 3:56 PM EDT That's not a problem for me. I love the two actors and their characters, and I would love to see them having a relationship. Cameron revealing herself as actually evil is OK for me, provided there's a love story (They hinted for it since even before the show got aired). Technically, she would then be betraying John, but that could be an even better plot twist. Do you find this valuable? |
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Captaincranky Captaincranky |
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May 15 2008, 5:11 PM EDT "I can't believe you guys are actually talking like this on the board, most especially when there could be many age groups that pop in from time to time. It's taking the discourse IMHO to new lows.The MPAA states that vulgarity (this includes the "F-bomb) can be used ONCE, as an expletive, an a motion picture can still be allowed to keep it's PG-13 rating. Oddly enough, I don't even remember dropping the "F-bomb". Since, it's reasonable to assume that the TV version of the Terminator franchise would have the same latitude as the theater offerings. Point Two, you do understand that none of this a real don't you? Point three, If you'd like something more sexless in a program discussion, might I suggest something along the lines of a thread about Hong Kong wire movies. There you could absorb senseless violence to your heart's content, and never have to worry about seeing anything by Victoria's Secret. To paraphrase the Bible, When I was a boy, I spake as a boy, I acted as a boy, and I ate Cocoa Puffs as a boy, but when I became a man, I decided on ham and eggs instead. Do you find this valuable? |
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May 15 2008, 6:26 PM EDT "[quote]Isn't that what all women are anyway ?[/quote]You have some good points there! Do you find this valuable? |
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Captaincranky Captaincranky |
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May 15 2008, 8:23 PM EDT "You have some good points there!"The trouble with this forum is that the quotes are not automatically referenced to the originator, this is a tad confusing. I certainly wasn't refering to you Do you find this valuable? |