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Discussion: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
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Wild-Kat |
What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 2:00 AM EST I can't figure out why Cameron was so friendly, and personable in the first episode--to the point where she totally faked John out, and now she's a total robot?! 18 out of 19 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Hatchetforce Hatchetforce |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 3:59 AM EST It must be the writer strike and the 'talent' on loan from the zoo get's distracted when they bring in a new load of bananas. Seriously, if they can't follow the canon of the terminator universe that has been laid down in celluloid and books for years, what makes you think they can be consistent across a few short TV shows. 0 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Shads |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 4:23 AM EST Well, I don't think it's the writer's strike since this was filmed before that was even started. But Hatchetforce is probably right that it's just the writer's or whoever maintains the consistency of the show (producer's?) fault. It almost felt like they filmed the first episode and completed with post-production and then realized what they had done and tried to make her a little more Terminator-like in the later episodes. But I'm not going to complain on the show just because of that. 6 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Napalm |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 7:40 AM EST Hey that's just wrong and pollitically incorrect. She doesn't have to be friends with people every day. Maby she was in a bad mood. And Terminator's are cybernetic organisms.....not robots. 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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stunna262 stunna262 |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 8:03 AM EST Honestly it felt like they didnt have much to do with John and Cameron this episode. The only important thing was Sarah destroyed that dudes computer chess computer. The rest was basically flashing us that Cameron looks good in underwear and made sure John didnt do something important yet. I was hoping to see a Cameron "CB". that would have been funny. 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Xenomorphine Xenomorphine |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 8:36 AM EST "Hey that's just wrong and pollitically incorrect. She doesn't have to be friends with people every day. Maby she was in a bad mood. And Terminator's are cybernetic organisms.....not robots."The only thing "cybernetic" about Terminators is a skin-coat disguise of flesh. They ARE robots. God knows why they wanted to portray these things as having genuine emotions for this television show, as opposed to using the illusion of them, purely fo rinfiltation purposes. 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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firefox7 |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 9:19 AM EST "I can't figure out why Cameron was so friendly, and personable in the first episode--to the point where she totally faked John out, and now she's a total robot?! "I agree, what's the deal with having Cameron act like a human in the Pilot and first Episode only to have her act like some Arnald (T2) type robot gear head in this latest installment? John also flipped the script and acted more like a rebel brat in this third episode I thought. He was not the wuss from the two previous episodes, but now a much more rebellious and ascertaining character, whom didn't have the slightest respect or care for Cameron in this episode (failing to realize that she protected his life from sure death at least twice already)? Ok, she is a cyborg, but at least he could show a little more respect I thought. He is treating her now in this episode just as she behaving, like a simple machine without a heart. No Wizard of Oz puns this time around. Cameron was behaving much like Arnalds T888 from T2 or T3. I hope this is NOT how they continue to cause her to act each week or that will get played out fast. (it has been done before, why do it again?) 0 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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firefox7 |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 10:01 AM EST " I was hoping to see a Cameron "CB". that would have been funny. "What does the "CB" stand for? (Anyone care to elaborate?) 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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firefox7 |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 10:11 AM EST "The only thing "cybernetic" about Terminators is a skin-coat disguise of flesh. They ARE robots. God knows why they wanted to portray these things as having genuine emotions for this television show, as opposed to using the illusion of them, purely fo rinfiltation purposes."Perhaps, if they would have added more human componets to Terminators (or some special ones) such as human brains or other organs (Robocop-like), they would be received more as true Cyborg creatures, but really they have closer to robots then humans or cyborgs. Yes, they may have flesh and blood, but they have metal frames for bodys and cybornetic brains (sort of Data like from ST:TNG). Well I am sure not all reading this would agree with me but I think that would have made for an interesting twist in this series. In the future, the resistance would have to rebuild its wounded troops with whatever was available (parts from fallen terminators I would think). That could have explained how Cameron came about. She is part Human and part machine (mostly machine). But that is not how this is taking shape at all. Anyone wonder what happed to the Chip Cameron ate in the Pilot? Did she consume it into her fusion reactor inside her chest? What was the point if not to prove she was something much more than a machine??? Questions, questions questions... 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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stunna262 stunna262 |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 10:21 AM EST "What does the "CB" stand for? (Anyone care to elaborate?)"CB is a c*ck block. aka, john flirts with human girl, cameron totally blocks his tries and scares her off. 6 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Xenomorphine Xenomorphine |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 11:12 AM EST "Perhaps, if they would have added more human componets to Terminators (or some special ones) such as human brains or other organs (Robocop-like), they would be received more as true Cyborg creatures, but really they have closer to robots then humans or cyborgs. Yes, they may have flesh and blood, but they have metal frames for bodys and cybornetic brains (sort of Data like from ST:TNG).No, thank you... I don't see why the heck Skynet would want to do anything of the kind. :) They might - MIGHT - augment microchips with some sort of viral/biological architecture, but going down the 'what's human and what isn't' route is what they did to the Cylons in the new version of 'Battlestar Galactica' and, truly, I hated that. Why would a military-grade supercomputer, whose only purpose is the eradication of mankind, bother to try and make killing machines with feelings? That's not what a Terminator should be. It should epitomise what Reece said in the first film: They can't be reasoned with or bargained with, they're just being systematic and will do whatever it takes to achieve their prime directive, no matter what. They're single-minded, relentless and unemotional. That was the beauty of the first two films. They demonstrated precisely how coldly calculating a machine should be. Their simplicity is their strength and what made them so iconic. They mass-produced on assembly lines for the strict purposes of infiltration and extermination. Nothing more, nothing less. If they're analytical, then it should be to secure whatever objective they've been programmed to achieve. This sort of thing is why I'm dreading this series, when it eventually airs, here in the UK. If they can't be bothered to be consistant about how machines think and act, then they should never have wasted the effort on buying this licence, in the first place. 0 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Crevek Crevek |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 2:42 PM EST Cameron was nice in the first episode because she was programmed to gain his trust and friendship. Now that they are friends and he trusts her she is no longer obligated to act nice. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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firefox7 |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 3:05 PM EST "Cameron was nice in the first episode because she was programmed to gain his trust and friendship.What about act like a human? Cameron acted more like a regular human in the Pilot and first episode then how she acted in the Turk? She acted more like a robot than a human. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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hawaiianfan hawaiianfan |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 4:31 PM EST When I was watching the episode all I could think was "She's kinda acting like a total idiot," but I guess like aliens who come from another country and don't understand the lingo, that's how she's acting, like when the girls said to her "b*tch whore"....Of course she had no clue what that meant but I'm sure as an intelligent robot she knows the meaning of each word individually and could have said something back with all of her intelligent lingo. She's trying to act like a human and learn from them but it was kinda hard to watch how dumb she seemed when she's an intelligent T-whatever. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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T-69 |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 4:46 PM EST "What about act like a human? Cameron acted more like a regular human in the Pilot and first episode then how she acted in the Turk? She acted more like a robot than a human. "Cameron is learning. But her mission isn't to act more human and seduce John. It's to make sure these two survive and to take on Skynet. The funniest part was when Sarah states to Cameron "nobody dies unless I say so". Uh, Sarah, we've established that you are not the boss. Cameron is humoring you. She "fooled them again" by having an intelligent retort to her illogical statement. When it comes down to it, Cameron will do what she needs to do. Like crushing any chances for John to have a girlfriend. She can't let him do that. He would get that girlfriend killed. Or he would tell her too much and endanger himself. John can't get arrested, or get institutionalized, it would be too easy for Cromartie to find him and kill him. That cop is going to play a larger role, he is onto them. And he's listed among the four main stars, so the cops and maybe the feds will be hunting them as well. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Pyus |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 6:57 PM EST "I can't figure out why Cameron was so friendly, and personable in the first episode--to the point where she totally faked John out, and now she's a total robot?! "My guess is that Cameron was in infiltrator mode at that point trying to locate john. If she would have acted this way before he knew what side she was on he would have bolted in an instant. If you remember she quit acting normal as soon as John true identity was confirmed by Cromartie fireing at him. she had completed the infiltration part of her mission and was now begining the protection portion, blending in perfectly now is not as important as staying close to john at all time, and she can't keep a vigilant look out for him if she is chatting it up acting normal. To her blending n perfectly is not as important as protecting john now. 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Pyus |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 7:01 PM EST "Cameron is learning. But her mission isn't to act more human and seduce John. It's to make sure these two survive and to take on Skynet. The funniest part was when Sarah states to Cameron "nobody dies unless I say so". Uh, Sarah, we've established that you are not the boss. Cameron is humoring you. She "fooled them again" by having an intelligent retort to her illogical statement. When it comes down to it, Cameron will do what she needs to do. Like crushing any chances for John to have a girlfriend. She can't let him do that. He would get that girlfriend killed. Or he would tell her too much and endanger himself. John can't get arrested, or get institutionalized, it would be too easy for Cromartie to find him and kill him. That cop is going to play a larger role, he is onto them. And he's listed among the four main stars, so the cops and maybe the feds will be hunting them as well. "I think the FBI guy is going to slowly piece the puzzle together that maybe Sarah was right and then in one episode he is going to think hes gonna get sarah and bust in on her and Cromartie and realise crap she was telling the truth all along. hell for all we know he is one of John liuetents in the future, or at the very least starts using his FBI connections to help sarah and john move around and find skynet 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Gnaske Gnaske |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 7:08 PM EST Its amazing how people invent a problem when there isn't one - she *acted* normal in the pilot for a little over 2 minutes - trying to be friendly and getting to know John. But she is not there to seduce him, she is there to protect him - so no logical reason to continue. And they have shown from the start that she acts more human towards him (and to a lesser degree Sarah) but when its others she just turns it off. She is not there to make a ton of friends - people who like her and want to hang out with her etc etc would just be a bother and even a potential problem for the mission. In other words she doesn't try to make friends or be friendly with anyone else she meets (like the girls in the school) - as far as its possible she doesn't break the law and try not to be illegally different - but that others think she is weird is not a problem - it doesn't impact the mission. 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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incadove |
RE: What's the deal with Cameron's behavior now?
Jan 22 2008, 8:32 PM EST People - it's the 3rd episode. Instant gratification much? Enjoy the ride while it lasts. Summer will you marry me? Errr...um sorry guys, that last part had nothing to do with anything on this thread. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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XxMysticblurxX |
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Jan 23 2008, 6:09 AM EST "CB is a c*ck block. aka, john flirts with human girl, cameron totally blocks his tries and scares her off."Maybe it has something todo with Kate Brewster in the future. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |