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Discussion: When did Sarah die?
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 Wild-Kat |
When did Sarah die?
Jan 14 2008, 12:59 AM EST Does anybody know when Sarah was supposed to have died? I remember it was of leukemia, but I'm trying to figure out the time line on this... Do you find this valuable? |
 ghostkwon |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 14 2008, 2:16 AM EST She died during the 4th or 5th timeline in 1997. her death is way over due in the series even if they jumped in time. the story takes place in 1999 3 years after her supposed death in the oringinal time/movie arc..... 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Napalm |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 14 2008, 10:57 AM EST I think they'll use the timetravel thing to save Sara. That's what I'd do anyway. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Wild-Kat |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 14 2008, 11:51 AM EST Time travel always confuses storylines, and shows always seem to use it to fix any issues that come up. I'm curious if anybody knows the history behind the movies and when the subsequent movies were planned. For example, T1 was probably created on it's own, but before heading into T2, was the idea for T3 already in the works? I'm sure this series was a more recent development... 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ghostkwon |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 14 2008, 4:47 PM EST "I think they'll use the timetravel thing to save Sara. That's what I'd do anyway."they cant she dies of leukemia not a bullet or a piano falling on her head she was ment to die they cant save her...even if they use time travel 1 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ghostkwon |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 14 2008, 4:49 PM EST "Time travel always confuses storylines, and shows always seem to use it to fix any issues that come up. I'm curious if anybody knows the history behind the movies and when the subsequent movies were planned. For example, T1 was probably created on it's own, but before heading into T2, was the idea for T3 already in the works? I'm sure this series was a more recent development..."u have to read the books to find out what was to happen inbetween the movies 0 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Kyle_Reese |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 14 2008, 5:45 PM EST "they cant she dies of leukemia not a bullet or a piano falling on her head she was ment to die they cant save her...even if they use time travel"That's only according to T3, in the movie novelisations Sarah survived to fight with the resistance after Judgement Day. She was killed sometime before 2029 when the supply convoy she was leading was wiped out in an ambush. Linda Hamilton declined to repeat the role of Sarah in T3 and the film makers decided it was better to write out than recast. Since this series focuses on Sarah the creators obviously decided to ignore the events of T-3 completely. 6 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ghostkwon |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 14 2008, 5:55 PM EST o ok 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Vtoriam |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 14 2008, 5:59 PM EST "That's only according to T3, in the movie novelisations Sarah survived to fight with the resistance after Judgement Day. She was killed sometime before 2029 when the supply convoy she was leading was wiped out in an ambush.Thats what I remember, Sarah survived to fight another day. They went south, what was implyed to be very, very south to join up with other resistance fighter groups. I'm going to pull out the old movies and watch them again,perhaps over the weekend. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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jhardin jhardin |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 14 2008, 7:44 PM EST "...the creators obviously decided to ignore the events of T-3 completely."Which is as it should be. T3 is one of those Movies that Didn't Happen. Like Highlander 2. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ghostkwon |
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Jan 14 2008, 9:14 PM EST "That's only according to T3, in the movie novelisations Sarah survived to fight with the resistance after Judgement Day. She was killed sometime before 2029 when the supply convoy she was leading was wiped out in an ambush.okay but when did the novelisations happen when it sayes she dies? because if the series does go after the T:2 then it still sayes sarah was a legend not hero so she would be dead in the future 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Hodo Hodo |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 14 2008, 10:25 PM EST If I remember my Terminator history right.... SHE DOESNT in this story arc. T-3 doesnt happen it never happened they are tring to write out the T-3 movie, saying thats a alternate universe of this one. The thing I would worry the most about is how old John Connor is during the Judgement Day.... he is what 15ish now. Judgement day is when now? The original story was Sarah was to run around tring to save her young John after the judgement day. That Sarah was killed by a terminator hunter killer unit, AFTER judgement day. I guess this story line is going to try and follow that arc, with a slight twist. Unfortantly I wish writers wouldnt try to screw with the past, they should learn from Enterprise and Startrek, seeing that was part of that shows down fall. Dont try changing a solid history. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Mat-101 |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 15 2008, 7:05 AM EST I'm pretty sure Sarah always died before Judgment day. For eg, the first terminator had no 'Net File' on her, and Reese describes her as a legend, with all her activites pre-war. The Frakes novel has her dying in about 2010, but according to T3, she died either September or October 1997. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Kyle_Reese |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 15 2008, 6:22 PM EST "okay but when did the novelisations happen when it sayes she dies? because if the series does go after the T:2 then it still sayes sarah was a legend not hero so she would be dead in the future"Early on in the novelisation of T2 there's a section set in 2029 describing how John Connor sends Kyle Reese back to 1984, which includes one of the other characters recalling how he'd delivered the news of Sarah's death to John. No date was given but it was stated that she'd been leading a supply convoy that was ambushed and was a major figure in the resistance in her own right, obviously some time post Judgement day. Remember that in the original film Reese was awed to meet "the legend" but he never gave any real info on Sarah's future life (too busy making sure she got one...) So in the original time line Sarah Connor dies somewhere between 1997 and 2029. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Kyle_Reese |
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Jan 15 2008, 6:42 PM EST "If I remember my Terminator history right.... SHE DOESNT in this story arc.Even the movies have been really inconsistent with John's age, basic math apparently is not a requirement for screen writers. But if we accept that the events of Terminator took place in 1984, John would be born sometime in '85. Judgement Day originally took place in 1997 so that would have made him about 12 (yet he's about that age in T2, set some years before '97). I always had the impression that there was an unspecified time gap between Judgement Day and John emerging to organize the resistance; which makes sense, the resistance wouldn't just appear and even Skynet would take some time to set up factories, produce HK's and terminators etc, so it would seem plausable that he appeared about 16, say 2001. The series is making an effort to respect the Terminator time line but they slipped up by starting in 1999, John is 14 then, way younger than the actor portraying him. There is a lot of wriggle room in the Terminator mythos, unlike Star Trek there are large stretches of history unwritten. The changing time lines help with some historical events (like the date of Judgement Day) but some things will remain fixed. John was born in 1985, his age runs from there. The history is far from solid, but that just makes it worse when a lazy writer contradicts something already established for no good reason. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Kyle_Reese |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 15 2008, 7:00 PM EST "I'm pretty sure Sarah always died before Judgment day. For eg, the first terminator had no 'Net File' on her, and Reese describes her as a legend, with all her activites pre-war. The Frakes novel has her dying in about 2010, but according to T3, she died either September or October 1997."I'm not familar with the Frakes novel you mention, there are several original novels set in the the Termiverse and I've not read them all (I must check who wrote the T2 novelisation since that provides most of the 2029 info I'm familar with..) but given that the original date for Judgement day was in 1997 2010 would fit in with the (admitedly) sketchy details in the T2 novel. T3 of course, never happened as far as the TV series is concerned. BTW I base most of my interpretations on A) the first 2 films and B) their novelisations, James Cameron created the Termiverse so I go with his ideas in the films, the novels are written from the original screen plays and usually incorporate ideas and scenes that didn't make it on screen due to time or budget issues. Providing they don't contradict anything that is shown on screen I think its safe to take them as cannon. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ghostkwon |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 15 2008, 9:49 PM EST "Early on in the novelisation of T2 there's a section set in 2029 describing how John Connor sends Kyle Reese back to 1984, which includes one of the other characters recalling how he'd delivered the news of Sarah's death to John. No date was given but it was stated that she'd been leading a supply convoy that was ambushed and was a major figure in the resistance in her own right, obviously some time post Judgement day. Remember that in the original film Reese was awed to meet "the legend" but he never gave any real info on Sarah's future life (too busy making sure she got one...) So in the original time line Sarah Connor dies somewhere between 1997 and 2029. "o ok 0 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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ghostkwon |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 15 2008, 9:56 PM EST "I'm not familar with the Frakes novel you mention, there are several original novels set in the the Termiverse and I've not read them all (I must check who wrote the T2 novelisation since that provides most of the 2029 info I'm familar with..) but given that the original date for Judgement day was in 1997 2010 would fit in with the (admitedly) sketchy details in the T2 novel. T3 of course, never happened as far as the TV series is concerned. BTW I base most of my interpretations on A) the first 2 films and B) their novelisations, James Cameron created the Termiverse so I go with his ideas in the films, the novels are written from the original screen plays and usually incorporate ideas and scenes that didn't make it on screen due to time or budget issues. Providing they don't contradict anything that is shown on screen I think its safe to take them as cannon."ok but one thing kyle?..... since i dont think james careron had anything to do with the series we really shouldnt count the series as apart T:1 and T:2 and their novels right? i mean we really shouldnt add it to the frist two movies and books timeline right? 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Mat-101 |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 16 2008, 4:22 AM EST "I'm not familar with the Frakes novel you mention, there are several original novels set in the the Termiverse and I've not read them all (I must check who wrote the T2 novelisation since that provides most of the 2029 info I'm familar with..) but given that the original date for Judgement day was in 1997 2010 would fit in with the (admitedly) sketchy details in the T2 novel. "Randal Frakes wrote both the novel for T2 and one of the novel for the first film. 2010 is a rough estimate, as the novel puts her dying when John was in his mid-twenties. As he would be 25 in 2010, that's what I plumped for, or somewhere round that date anyway. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
 Aaron_Smith |
RE: When did Sarah die?
Jan 16 2008, 5:15 AM EST It's been pointed out that T3 says both that Sarah survived her cancer for three years and that she died in 1997, two years after the events of T2. They rejected all the information and events shown in T3, but had the respect to use some of the basic elements such as Sarah's cancer in this timeline, even when they didn't need to and could have ignored it entirely. I'd say the show creators are doing well with what they were given, T3 being the main mess they had to pick up after. I hope they don't create too many more inconsistancies in the course of the series, I know it will be impossible to avoid entirely, but they seem to be doing alright so far. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |